Sunday huntin illegal or legal?

[Andy L]

HeHeHe, Little Reds fired up.

Im with ya on part of it Red. And, I dont plan on comin to VA to hunt. Our states are actually alot alike, so I can do most of it right here. Do you got bears? I may come out ifn you take me bear huntin.

As far as the private land/public land issues, its the same here. Unless you know someone, private land is out. Its almost impossible to get somewhere to hunt without leasing or knowing someone very well. MO does have a rich conservation department and lots of public land, relative to other midwest/eastern states, but it gets hammered and not that good in most cases. But I seriously doubt theres much difference from here and VA. I doubt that would change much. It may shorten your seasons? Maybe not.

Im with you on religion. I am born and raised southern baptist. I dont go to church anymore, but do have stronger beliefs than most. My choice to not go to church is personal and deals with hypocrits and church politics that take away from the purpose to begin with. Our country was founded as a Christian country and it turns my stomach to hear the happy holidays bs. But, on the other hand, our constitution also allows for freedom of religion. Im not about to try and tell someone what they can and cant do on that issue. Mostly because I think if we compromise one article, that will leave the rest vulnerable.

Were alot closer than you think Red. Give em hell.

[Skyline]

Andy

"Im with you on religion. I am born and raised southern baptist. I dont go to church anymore, but do have stronger beliefs than most. My choice to not go to church is personal and deals with hypocrits and church politics that take away from the purpose to begin with. Our country was founded as a Christian country and it turns my stomach to hear the happy holidays bs. But, on the other hand, our constitution also allows for freedom of religion. Im not about to try and tell someone what they can and cant do on that issue. Mostly because I think if we compromise one article, that will leave the rest vulnerable."

Take out southern Baptist and insert Anglican and it pretty much applies to me. I might ad that it is not the 1700's any more. Hunting is now recreation or sport for the vast majority and I do not know anyone that calls it work.

We may not like the way Christianity has been put on the backburner in the various states and provinces.....but as you pointed out freedom of religion is in your constitution and it certainly applies in Canada as well. I was disturbed when they took the Lords Prayer out of the schools in the morning. Regardless of these issues, not allowing hunting on Sunday is not acceptable in this day and age.

Private land and access issues, along with the BLM land issues are not special to VA by any means or the United States for that matter. The issues are similar in many countries for hunters.

And no there is no fear of my traveling to VA from Canada to hunt either.

[rickjordan]

Well, I can't hunt on Sunday but at least I can buy beer at 9AM. I'd trade the beer for a chance to hunt. Never been that hard up for a beer at 9AM. The people up here claim it has nothing to do with religion- that they want a day where non-hunters can walk in the woods without worrying about getting shot. Total BS. I have hunted a lot of years in Maine and never shot a non-hunter or another hunter for that matter. I have seen non-hunters walk right by me without ever knowing I was there. Especially bow hunting where I am full camo. I don't know if it will ever change up here- they expanded Sunday hunting for birds and rabbits on federal land but I haven't heard anything on it changing for good.

[Lilred]

let me start out by sayin...that i had to ask somebody from up yonder what bunk meant. now that i understand...let me gently tell you a lil somethin Skyline....

First off...i might be difficult to understand, impatient, onry, dry and even butt-ugly. But there is 2 things that are not me...i dont bull**it and i dont lie. I will leave that right there fore the feathers start flyin.

With that said...Andy yer right...we are alot alike and I think there's some misunderstandin goin on again. Which is usual on my part. Fact is, iffin ya dont like a gay bar....nine times outta 10 ya wont go in one but you normally wont try to have it shut down either. I think that says it all....and yessir...i can git ya bear huntin with dogs er without.

VA is different tho. We run deer with dogs. They gotta have a day of rest for both hunter and hunted. So wouldnt the sensible choice be sunday? When runnin dogs, it takes a good while, sometimes all day to get the dogs back. A Sunday afternoon hunt w/ dogs would be miserable. Ya make a run, ya gotta git up dogs, and ya gotta go to work the followin day. Trust me...it sucks. They spend their Sundays lookin for dogs....i couldnt imagine huntin on sunday too.

Losin alot of days would really suck. If this were to go thru, we will lose alot of days. Western VA is already just a 2 week season, and the general consensus is to make it that way all over. Call me spoilt, beotch er whatever....but that would suck. We feed dogs all year...just to run em 2 weeks?? If ya gotta work, like most do...that one sunday aint from nuthin.

What Mr Canada does not understand is that there ARE differences....in every state. It's hard to say why you caint hunt on sunday in pa versus why you caint hunt on sunday in va.
Or, what reasoning there is behind it. These issues are special and unique to the seven U S of A states that Sunday huntin still applies. The issue goes alot deeper than religion...there are other reasons for a day of rest.

I'll say it again....tourism here? lmao
nobody here cares about tourism. That right there is the point of bein rural...so we can stay that way. As fer as I'm concerend...we could stay in the 1700's...we'd probaly be better off if we did. The way the land is bein stripped before our very eyes....by the dam tourists.




Edit: Skyline...just checked yer profile there buddy. You are a rancher, outfitter, guide. So, now i know why a Canuck would git so riled over Sunday huntin.....cause heaven fer bid it would cost you a dime. It had nothin to do with religous freedom...just financial freedom. Low blow man.....that's bunk.

[Skyline]

Lilred............you are very good at slinging mud I will give you that. You also do not speak for eveyone in VA, although apparently you think you do.

If you think that my opinion on Sunday hunting has something to do with guiding then you are sorely mistaken. Sunday is used as a turn over day between hunts when I am guiding, ie. we wouldn't hunt anyways. And if you were so damn smart you would know that where I guide up north in the public land Sunday hunting is allowed.

I was talking from a personal stand point and as a hunter wanting to be able to go hunting on Sunday where I live in the southern part of the province and on my own land.

Personally I think you are being rediculous about this.......this is not a personal affront to you and VA. The rest of us were talking about Sunday hunting in general and in all jurisdictions that are affected by this.

You decided to have a bird about it. Oh well, too bad, go take a Valium and chill out. Your reaction to this is juvenile.

[skeet]

I think ol Lilred mighta got to ya. I do understand the issue better than most might. The Sunday hunting ban WAS a religious thing originally. When it was being debated in Maryland , boy, was that brought up...time and again. But they did open deer hunting up there for a few Sundays in all the seasons. Lost no hunting days either. BUT the reason for opening it was because there are too many deer. I also heard about having a day of rest for the critters too but in reality that is a load of bull hockey. Lilred is right though. In the eastern states such as Md and Virginia it would put a severe strain on the flocks of Turkeys quail Pheasants rabbits and other small game. Maybe even deer in Va. If the deer population ever crashes or even drops to reasonable levels in Md they will close the Sunday hunting down in a heartbeat. Maine is a unique area of the country and I think if ya look at the issue there the reason for no Sunday hunting is probably religious. No matter which religion, the more strict religions are usually against things such as this. They just don't want people enjoying themselves in other pursuits on Sundays..other than religion that is! There is another problem that y'all don't understand out west and in rural Canada. Even the rural east coast is heavily populated...and there are a LOT of bible toters there. Trying to hunt in those areas is an expensive proposition and it is VERY hard to find places to hunt. And I know about these things. I guided waterfowl and deer hunters for about 35 yrs. And y'all really want to know.. I enjoyed not having to go out on a Sunday. Hunting really is work too. Not just when guiding either. My family lived on wild game for a LOT of years. It was necessary for us..therefore it WAS work!!

[Skyline]

Fair enough......................but many of the posters were looking at Sunday hunting in general, not just VA, ME or anywhere else for that matter. There are always local anomalies.......it still does not justify going on a rampage about my background, my apparent thirst for the almighty buck, etc.

Personally I could care less what happens in VA. I do not hunt there and never will. I do know that there is no way that all VA hunters buy into that though or it would not be an issue. In fact I talked to a couple of guys tonight about this issue, they are from Va and I guided them up north. They are rather perturbed about the Sunday hunting issue.

Perhaps Lilred should learn to control himself and not sling crap around just because someone does not agree with him.

I feel sorry for you and the massive population base you have to deal with. Still, it is no excuse for someone being rude.

[Swift]

Originally posted by Skyline

Perhaps Lilred should learn to control himself and not sling crap around just because someone does not agree with him.

Lilred is a gal by the way.

[Jack]

Well, I suppose the argument that the game need a day off could make some sense. But, why not have no hunting on Wednesday?
Most folks work Monday thru Friday, and have only Saturday and Sunday to hunt- and as one poster mentioned, he had only Sunday.
If the argument is that the game need a day to not be hunted, why not make it Wednesday that there is no hunting? Or some other weekday. That would let the average working stiff go hunting on his day off.

[BILLY D.]

LILRED and Skyline

Will you two patch this thing up, please? I feel like a dad with two bickering children.

Sky, you might wonder why I addressed LILRED first because I've known you longer from the Nest. Well LILRED is a herself not a himself. Ladies/ females have always been placed first in my family.

You two both have a lot of valid points. So if the law says you can hunt on Sunday do so, if you feel the need. If you don't like to hunt on Sunday don't.

I had a remedy for this situation when all the kids lived at home. I simply confined the an and the protagonist to the bathroom until the argument was settled. That way the rest of us didn't have to hear it.

Besides that if I join the foray I'd be afraid of losing one of you as a friend and I wouldn't like that. Side with one of the two will get you in trouble with the other.

So please kiss and make up.

Best wishes, Bill

[Skyline]

Swift and Bill......... Oops!!!

Dang, I have been talking nasty to a lady.

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by Skyline
Swift and Bill......... Oops!!!

Dang, I have been talking nasty to a lady.

Yep. But I would not hesitate to select either her or Val, another forum lady as a foxhole buddy during a war as both have bigger cojonies than some guys I have met in my lifetime.

They remind me of the IDF girls. Beautiful, salacious and dangerous. I wouldn't want to anger either. They know how to take care of themselves. You won't find them hiding behind being a woman. Just don't call LILRED an older woman though. That gets her dander up in a hurry. She had a post about that awhile back and I still laugh just thinking about it. She describes every thing so simply and graphically, you can picture it in your mind sooo easily.

Have a good one bud.

Best wishes, Bill

[Andy L]

Whew, LOL. Turn my back a little bit and all hell breaks loose.

I think things got blown a bit out of proportion with two discussions getting combined. Everyone simmer down a bit. I think Red was initally talkin about her particular situation and views. I may have been the one that turned it upside down, probably was. Wouldnt be the first time I didnt quite hijack a thread, but derailed it enough to cause the wreck later on. LOL


Skyline, yep, youve been arguin with a gal. But, I wouldnt let it bother me much. Lil Red is more than capable of takin care of herself. I think she enjoys a good keyboard scrap as much as the rest of us do.

Andy

[Lilred]

Skyline...don't concern yerself with throwin punches at a girl. I wouldnt throw em myself iffin i didnt expect one back.
i'm at work and i aint got much time to reply....
but i'll shutup and behave..i wont kiss you skyline...but i'll shake yer hand how that?
Besides..we are alike you and me...we both got a temper and it's fun to push buttons on rare occasion. Hey..there aint been a brawl this good in a couple years now LOL.

Besides...it's an art to understandin lilred....so first readins of my posts will throw ya off unless ya know me. I'm a pain in the arsh...I admitted that on my last post.
As billy said...i aint no juvenile...i'm an older lady (thanks alot billy fer remindin me btw, i was just gittin over it).
But...i can speak more for my state than you..and you are uneducated about my particular issue. bet them boys you guided wont born & raised here either. If you would spend more time tryin to understand the crap would git slung alot less. Thats all i ask.

[Aim to maim]

Since I don't live in Virginia, I have no dog in this fight.

Having said that, I can't help but wonder how many of those who favor the Sunday hunting ban AND insist it is NOT a religious issue, would support banning hunting on Wednesday instead of Sunday.