Who Believes in Global Warming?

[scalerman]

I just want to throw my two cents worth in here. First a question- Does anyone else remember back about 30 or 35 years ago that all of the scientists were convinced that we were headed for another ice age?

The first law of thermodynamics states that matter is neither created or destroyed during a chemical reaction- it changes form (solid to gas) it changes compositon ( forms other types of hydrocarbons as a result of the chemical reaction) but there is no more matter at the end of the reaction than there was at the start of the reaction. The point is this- there is as much carbon on the earth today as there was at the beginning (whatever that is). It may exist in different forms but it is still there. I find it incredibly hard to believe that when forest fires would start in one part of the continent and burn until they got to the other side of the continent that we are releasing more carbon dioxide now than during that time. After all there is exactly the same amount of carbon now as then.

I don't think that these scientists could calculate their way out of a wet paper bag. As many others have said we may be in a warming trend but to say that the end of the world as we know is here is irresponsible. The guy behind the talk here in Canada is David Suzuki an environmental activist from way back. He also advocates human habitation of other planets in order to "lighten the load" here on earth. I however do not see him offering to lead the expedition. As far as I am concerned he has no credibility. I don't know how our friends south of the 49th parallel fee about Mr. Gore

Just MHO

[Baylian]

Not meaning to offend but the law you mentioned in the previous post is the Law of Conservation of Mass. It is not a Thermodynamic law. It was discovered by Antoine Lavasier in the late 1700's. It does state that matter cannot be created nor destroyed in an ordinary chemical reaction. The First Law of Thermodynamics is the Law of Conservation of Energy. It states that the increase in the energy of a system is equal to the heat being added to the system minus the work being done by the system.

TJ - Chemistry teacher

[scalerman]

Thank you correction noted.

[Andy L]

Good Gawd. You guys are too technical for me.

All I know is there are cycles. There are cooling periods and there are heating periods. Anytime a cycle even begins to show itself there will be nutjobs playin chicken little. Funny thing is, man hasnt even been around long enough to see a full cycle yet. Remember, were new here.

But in one century, if you believe the nut jobs, we managed to screw her up.

[Rocky Raab]

What gets me is that the "climate experts" predict we'll have a half-degree (or one degree or two degree) increase in the average global temperature by 2050.

Excuse me?

They can't predict within one degree of what the temperature will be TOMORROW!

It's horsepuckey. All of it.

Let the sumbeeches tell me what the STOCK MARKET will be next Tuesday, and I'll perk right up. The climate? Nah.

[Classicvette63]

Like Dennis Miller said, "how can we trust Ezekiel to have taken correct temparature measurements on his way to the outhouse over 100 years ago."

[scalerman]

If you believe as some do that the earth is very old how can you possibly try to predict long term weather patterns based on what amounts to a nano- second of the overall time frame.

This is all about fear mongering and trying to convince everyone that they need to follow the environment saviour.

[DogYeller]

I think it's worse than we believe. The way it's taught to children and the way it's shoved down our throats by the media, I believe environmentalism will be the new religion.

[skeet]

It already is a type of religion. Look at all the treehuggers. Don't get me wrong. I know they are passionate about their beliefs. As passionate as I am about hunting and shooting and the outdoors. So to some extent I do understand. The difference between them and us...is that they want to control our beliefs and make us convert to their beliefs and values. HEY...does that remind you of any other religions!! Which brings us to the question. If every religion or belief feels and says theirs is the only true belief or religion...a whole bunch have to be wrong. WHO is wrong?? Or the other question... WHO is right??

[rattus58]

I wish I had the time right now to really say what I want to say about global warming, but I don't. So I'll keep this to just one chapter.

We as humans are not able to affect nature over the long haul. I don't care how we raze the land today, nature takes over. Look over any old abandoned farm, or Mt. St. Helens even, or old abandoned mines, mills even empty lots in the middle of the city. Nature soon takes over. That being said, yes we can affect things in a unique way in an instant situation.

Our planet is alive. Apparently we live on moving tectonic plates, that once had us joined at the hip with Europe or Asia... not sure I remember which now.. Asia I think... Wow... and we used to be covered with ice. Hello? What happened to it all? We still have a glacier remnant on Mauna Kea... in Hawaii? Yes. Does this not speak of change?

Environmentalism, like someone said, can be likened to a religion. It can be likened in fact to fundamentalism no different than Radical Muslim Fundamentalism. Environmentalist champion the unchampionable. Everything is in crisis, a crisis we will not see in our lifetime, so we don't know if they are right or wrong. Their argument is, "but what if we're right?" If their right it was going to happen anyway.

Warming intensifies here on earth in relation to sunspot activity, something we've just gone through or maybe are still going through. Volcanoes. There is an active volcano under antartica spewing out 500 degree plumes of superheated water. So hot in fact that it melted the protective coatings on the undersea devices that they had taking pictures, temps, and samples. There are undersea volcanoes all over the world. We have them off of the Big Island. We have them all over the Pacific. We have active volcanoes all over the world and this adds to the heat.

Global temperatures are taken around major cities. I would be more interested in the upper atmospheric temperatures around the world over the last 20 years instead. That is free air temperature that I think would be relatively undisturbed. Have we ever wondered why the temperatures around the US can be on any given day, 50 degrees apart in the winter, and 10 degrees apart in spring, and 50 degrees apart in summer? I wonder about it all the time.. and though I've been given the theory of air masses and circulation and such, I find it facinating that we can have so much individual change all over the country almost every day.

Oh.. yes we are warming.. do I care... no. There is nothing we can do about it, besides, were gonna be hit by a meteor before the floods come anyway.

Aloha..

[Niteowl]

"There is nothing we can do about it, besides, were gonna be hit by a meteor before the floods come anyway."


Time to call on Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck.... hahaha

[8X56MS]

that moderate, temporary global warming is happening, is not really in question. The hoax here, is what is causing it.
Note that the more vociferous proponents of man caused global warming are, for the most, part anti American, anti capitalist, anti Western culture, and socialist.

[Rocky Raab]

Remember that great scientific mind and environmentalist Woody Harrelson predicted that the oceans would be completely devoid of life in ten years if we didn't DO SOMETHING NOW!

That was 20 years ago.

[skeet]

Was , has been and always will be an idiot. Anti gun type too! But because he was a movie and tv "star" he knows more than all the rest of the people in the world....combined!

[Lilred]

I think that what we're doin caint be all that good. It just caint.
The human race as a general rule is just like any other...they consume themselves by the desruction of the environment or the destruction of each other. That is the way of life.
Then again, I dont think the scientists can accurately predict the who what where ands ifs or buts about global warming.

Can we control what the world will do? I just caint see the human race alterin the world's cycles. To a certain degree anyway...but I can honestly say that I do believe we aint helpin matters none.
Or, ya'll can look at it this way....them dinosuars aint have no cars, cell phones, nuclear bombs er nothin else...but they still went kapoof! we will too....wether it's by the environment or ourselves....natural selection will overcome all.