Jim Zumbo's anti-gun blog

[deermeister]

Boy, I leave the state for a week, and all of this happens!

Jim Zumbo screwed up. He apologized. He ruined his own career. He gave the anti's more fuel to run their machine.

I just spent a lot of time reading all of the posts, and I learned a lot. Then it happened. On page four, we started fighting each other. At this point, haven't the anti's won?

I've read all of your posts for years, and have developed respect for you, and have gained a little insight into your beliefs. I don't pretend to understand everything that makes you tick, and I don't try to judge anyone.

Fact: We are all passionate about gun ownership, and we do NOT want that right taken away in any form.

Fact: A high profile individual in the hunting community criticized something that many of us believe in.

Fact: That criticizm(sp?) will more than likely be used against us.

What we do not need to happen is for this issue to divide US, because the conquer part will soon follow.

Fabs, Lil Red, Skeet, et al: I enjoy reading your posts, and I respect where all of you are coming from.

Diversity can make us great, but division will make us weak.

[skeet]

And that sir is exactly why Zumbo lost his livelihood. But he still doesn't get it. He blames the shooting public for taking his livelihood away. He still doesn't understand he did it to himself...when he did to us what he did!!Division among the people that enjoy the freedom of owning and shooting firearms has always been one of our worst problems. The shotgun guys saying well I don't own a pistol so why should I worry...the rifle guys saying well I don't own an "assault rifle" AR 15 so why should I worry?? I do worry. I also wonder what would happen if we all stuck together! Think we could change the face of a nation? Personally I do. After all, the anti's, who are well funded and are sticking together are surely trying...and in the past because of apathy in OUR ranks have made inroads into our Constitutional rights. Heck the laws built into the books now about an automatic 5 yrs for the commission of a crime using a firearm is almost never charged...and if charged traded away in plea deals. That should be the only part of the charges that should never be plead out. Why don't we try to make that the law of the land...No pleas on firearm crime!!

[fabsroman]

I agree about that. The laws for criminals need to be a lot harsher, and I am not just talking about gun crimes. I am talking about all crimes. I have represented a guy over the past 3 years on 5 different occassions, and he continued to get probation after probation, and I almost got him a weekend sentence on his violation of probation for his second DUI, which I hadn't represented him on to begin with. The Judge finally said no way, but it took him 5 minutes of deliberation to come to that conclusion. He sentenced him to a month. Yeah, I felt bad for my client, but I felt good for society in general. My client did 21 of the 30 days because of good behaviour and then told me it was a good vacation from work with cable TV, 3 meals a day, and free time to workout and sleep. Since then, he got his 3rd DUI and if you read the police report it would make you sick. I no longer represent him. Criminals should be required to do hard labor, period, even if it entails digging a hole, filling it back up, and digging it again.

[Aim to maim]

Originally posted by fabsroman
The laws for criminals need to be a lot harsher, and I am not just talking about gun crimes. I am talking about all crimes. .........Criminals should be required to do hard labor, period, even if it entails digging a hole, filling it back up, and digging it again.

There will be a vacancy for the post of Attorney General of the United States coming open in less than two years. If that's not your cup of tea, there's always SOCUS, though you'll likely have to wait until someone dies.

[fabsroman]

Politics just isn't me. I wouldn't be able to win because I wouldn't be able to hold my tongue about criminals, welfare, illegal immigration, the deficit, and a myriad of other controversial issues. Every politician tries to be somewhere in the middle of all those topics, and I'm just not that guy.

[hnter]

I've been watching this Zumbo excercize in stupidity thing a while, I thought I'd finally chime in on it here.

Zumbo's appology reads like it was wrote by a philladelphia lawyer turned PR man.
As in, gee, I made a mistake.

I said "sorry".

"Kin I come play now?"

"I'll be good".
Or the time proven "I see the light and am "saved"!

I've met Zumbo several times, he never impressed me all that much but he sure as heII does now!

I'm very highly impressed I'm impressed that thinks he could stick his foot that far up his arrss and ....... still think he can get it out without it smellin.

Kinda like sayin "well I only commited 1 murder" or "only 1 rape" . "I said I was Sorry, golly gee, why do I need ta go to jail?"

Hnter

[skeet]

My sentiments exactly. The Cody paper wrote an editorial excoriating the NRA for shooting Zumbo down and scorning him. Actually accused them of orchestrating the move to have him removed from all the endorsments and advertising. They never got in touch with me. I also told the Cody Paper in a letter to the editor(which I am sure won't be printed) that they didn't need to be an apologist for him. He never really apologized for his statements. Even blamed the people out there for "taking my living away from me". Told the paper that he had to accept responsibility for that and no one else..also that until he actually wrote an apology that was earnest and believeable that he would stay in "Zumbo Limbo" Sheesh, all the liberals want to blame the NRA for everything. even when it ain't so!! And again.."I was tired" after a long day of coyote hunting! In a 60 MPH wind?? C'mon Zumbo! Why is it nobody seems to be able to accept responsibility for their own actions any more??

[hnter]

Long time no hear :>). Hows it goin?


I know Zumbo, He's never shown me much.

I don't think the NRA had a heII of a lot ta do bout his demise, I think it was hisself and other tru-progun shooters who ar darned well tired of the purest appeaser BS. I sure as heII am!!!

Zumbo made his bed, let him die in it!!!

Hunter

[skeet]

I have to make an amendment to the last post I had. The Cody paper actually printed what I said. But they still have apologists saying he is entitled to his 1st amendment rights. Well he used 'em...and now the every day Joe is voicing his!! NRA didn't do anything. He has to reap what he has sown!!

[fabsroman]

Nobody wants to take responsibility for anything anymore. Just finished up a 2004 tax return for a client of mine. One of the charitable deductions was a contribution to the democratic national committee for the 2004 Presidential election. This guy had a $400,000 capital gain on a rental property in 2004, and he is complaining because he has to pay $50,000 in taxes. I didn't mention that if the democrats had their way, he would be paying close to $100,000 on that capital gain, but I should have. He also wants socialized health care with the government picking up the tab. I cannot imagine howmuch he would cry when he had to pay taxes for that. If he wasn't suffering from Parkinson's and cancer, I would be pissed.

Zumbo is paying for what he said. Me, I completely avoided political issues with this client, because he still needs to have his 2005 and 2006 returns completed and they are worth close to $2,000 a piece to me. We all need to think before speaking or acting, period, and we need to take responsibility for our actions and apologize when we are wrong, but stand behind what we believe in too.

[rattus58]

Ok den... just drop him a web addy for this site...

[hnter]

The NRA had very little to say about Zumbo except for saying they were severing professional contact from him.


Y'all can check it it fer yerseff at www.nra.org

It's in the archives, in the search function box type in zumbo

The NRA was very non confrontational with their news release about Dumbo Zumbo's elitest anti gun screwup.

Hnter

[grayghost]

Thanks for all the posts everyone. I was still in Zimbabwe when this hit the fan. Left 110 degree weather and returned to snow. Spent over two weeks dealing with a sinus infection, chest cold and sore throat. Dam* was I glad to shake that mess! Heard a few rumors of what was going on but this thread brought me up to speed. Due to a backlog of work and the rush to get my clients booked into Africa for this seasons hunts, I failed to keep updated on this thread. I found it harsh at first (actions taken against Mr. Zumbo) but it took reading everyone's posts to better understand why he was in Hell's fire. Truth of the matter is; Once you squeeze the tooth paste out of the tube, how do you get it back in? Not impossible, but it won't be easy. Like Jim Zumbo or not, he was a figure in our sport, hobby or passion. His comments will remain with him for life. No matter how hard he tries, he will have a hard time getting the "tooth paste back into the tube." Personally, I think the man shot himself in the foot. I do not agree with his statement in any form, shape or way. I think his apology is lame, but I am a person who forgives. I believe it was Fabs who posted "But he'll have to earn my respect back." Same here. I won't give it easily, but neither will I let it play a role in dividing our community. I don't care if you want to bow hunt (with any bow type), muzzle load, rifle, pistol or shoot cool looking semi-auto rifles or have a legal permit to own and shoot machine guns. I won't let bickering lead me down the road to "divide and conquer." We all love the shooting sports and hobbies or we wouldn't be communicating on this web site. I hope we can all agree to disagree, but keep our eyes on the same target. Good hunting and shooting, grayghost

[hnter]

While I personally don't care for Zumbo because of personal experiences and exchanges with him, I can understand why some like him.

I don't think this is/was a devide and beat issue. Zumbo made a horrific mistake brought on by an elitest "I know better than you" because of an "I'm the great Zumbo" complex. Having known a few professional outdoor writers (liars) I can even understand that.

It's possible Zumbo can come back. However, if he were a greeny anti gun guy and had screwed them like he did us, they'd never trust him again. .......................................................
They'd turn their backs on him forever.

I guess we're just willing to forgive and forget.

Progun people must be nicer than antigun idjuts.

[grayghost]

Well said hnter. I think you hit the nail on the head: sometimes people get the big head and forget who put them on the top steps to begin with: we the people. As mentioned in this long thread, some of the elitist writers were quick to defend Mr. Zumbo, but I bet they sh*t their pants with worry. I've hunted most of my life. Started as a child. Have been a professional Taxidermist, Hunting Consultant/Booking agent, fresh and saltwater fisherman (pleasure and tournament), hunt with bow, muzzle loader, rifle & pistol, can skin, quarter, de-bone, cut up and package any game animal walking and believe it or not, I'm a pretty good cook. But I'll be the first to admit; I'm an expert at nothing. Maybe Mr. Jim can retire now, enjoy life and write his memoirs. Someone might want to buy a copy...maybe. Good hunting, grayghost