random urine test

[skeeter@ccia.com]

Great idea....has anyone contacted their gov reps and demanded this action?.......it goes nowhere on here...it use to be one person could make a difference and maybe it can still work that way if only one person contacted their gov reps and demanded action...which by the way we all would have to follow....if you aren't the lead dog, the view never changes.....I think most of us on HC think the same about issues of the world....I do see one big big problem now days...nobody gets involved in letting their reps know how they feel about issues.....and this is one big big reason we are loosing America to those that can't even speak the language...because we don't speak up for ourselves where it counts....does little to bicker with each other about it while towel heads are running this land....I just got a phone call the other day and couldn't even understand the lady and it was to do with the VA....geez.....well at least she had a job here in America....a government one at that....hummm....yep..this gereration is just giving this land away.....

[TheeBadOne]

While I don't disagree, I'd like to point out that much more goes to making something happen than an idea.

How would it work?
IE: how would it get paid for? There would be costs for:

-the test
-people to monitor the tests
-people to process the paperwork
-people to run the program (appeal process, denial process, court, etc)

I suspect there would be a substantial cost to set up, and we'd likely be paying much more than we are now.

[skeet]

He is correct that we would have to pay to do the tests etc...but then again he is thinking in a PC manner also. We are all being lulled into a bit of political correctness anymore. My ideas...

The test is not that expensive in and of itself so if the person tested is not using any of the items that would not be allowed the cost would be paid from the System and we would have to fund it..if the person is found to be using one or some of the illegal substances..the costs would be paid from what they would have been paid ..leaving quite a bit left over because at least 50% are using illegal stuff much less alcohol... As far as appeals...That is where the PC thing comes in..what appeal?? Why should there be an appeals process. The gray areas are not there. Either the person was using illegal drugs or he wasn't...either yes or no. If yes..no money...if no he or she gets the money. We have allowed the lawyers to put waaayyy too much gray areas into the law as it is. This would have to be a hard nosed, no gray, black or white issue if it was done at all. So from this point...it is very apparent that this could never happen in our society today...no matter how much we would like to see it. Could you see the hierarchy of the ACLU if this went through?? They would be like a PACK of junk yard dogs.. Another problem that I could see...the government would hire unemployed people to administer the test and there would be so many payoffs it wouldn't be funny!

[Wolvie]

They would save money by doing the test by cutting off those that dont pass ,.meaning they (goverment) takes those savings and applies them to the test and what have ya.

That the other problem with our goverment and ourselves,..we worry about change ,we whin and gripe over stuff but we dont do nothing about it because our negitive side takes over.

Its time to stop thinking that no one will do anything,..and start doing something.

Ok all
Later,...

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SAFE HUNTIN~

[Andy L]

DRUGS and alcohol yes,..NOT cigarettes

Wolvie, if someone can afford to smoke nowdays, they dont need welfare either. Welfare is for people to survive that cant work. I dont want my tax dollars spent on alcohol, tobacco and sure not drugs. Period.

And yes, the savings of a program like this would more than pay for the tests with alot left over. And, if you cut down on the welfare recipients smoking, drinking and doing drugs, your going to cut way back on medicade patients, saving even more money.

We have a local hospital and several of their clinics in serious financial trouble right now, and its not for profit, because of all the deadbeats. Sad situation.

Im in pretty good terms with my state senator and represenative. I will do what I can Skeet. Maybe a idea and some introduction into next session can start the ball rolling, in MO anyhow. That is unless the liberals take over again. The majority of their base receives checks so that wont work.

[Wolvie]

We dont want our tax $$$ paying for peoples habits,bad or good.
And we certainly dont want them to have more then we do!

So heres an idea,...

Food Stamps are no longer FOOD STAMPS,..they are now on a card like credit style,..but it is all linked to the state,..so that way you cant use it as a credit card.

So why not have ALL Welfare recipents,..turn in all the info on where they live,and the gas compnay and electric company they use and have the state pay what they need and not give them a check or money etc.

OR

Send the welfare recipents a Voucher that has to be signed and stamped by those same companies.
Now I know there are those that would take this voucher to the aunts or family and have them sign it as their "LandLord",..unless that landlord is registered with the State Welfare agency ,.they wouldnt be considered lawful at that point.

And AndyL as for cigs and drugs and Alcohol,I do understand where your coming from,..as long as the test(Cigarettes) didnt come back to bite the "WORKING MAN" who should be able to smoke or drink ,..but no drugs...
We have to be careful how we approach certain areas,..because the liberials and other A-Holes are always looking to put the screwin to the working man and woman,..and get them to pay for more and to lose more rights.

Ok all
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SAFE HUNTIN~