walmart/guns

[DON WALKUP]

if the state of california has any more say in any thing gun related, the gun community is in deeeeep trouble.

wal-mart, k-mart, sears, montgomery ward, western auto all used to sell firearms...i purchased firearms and ammo from all of them at one time or another.

MHO is i DO NOT TRUST legislators when it comes to the second amendment or firearms ownership...there are very, very few that are trustworthy when it comes to the firearms issue.

[skeeter@ccia.com]

So the big question. If and when they say everyone has to turn in their firearms by a certain date, are we going to just plain ole refuse this order?....I know if only a few stand up they will be hung but what now if we all just say....NO.???.....maybe that is what we need to start doing. Here in Pa they passed a drink tax in the city of Pittsburgh that will raise about 30 million for them to play with. Bar owners are all upset...people that go to the bars are upset...so what if they all just said it is not a federal tax and we just refuse to collect or pay it? Does anyone think NUMBERS still speak?......like the NRA?...
ok the answer is..most will just say, I'm not getting involved and will just pay the tax or hand over their guns and just cry to each other about it.. Hurray for me and f??? everyone else. Follow the rest of the flock.

[skeet]

I think not! The worst thing that can happen is they will kill me taking them away. None of us will get out of this life alive ya know? Living under the type of system you portray isn't living! So I think I will go out fighting. This is one of the reasons I did not want the Supreme's to take the DC gun case. I do not trust the people we have in the Court to vote the Constitution. I am afraid they will vote their political views...which I do not trust!! In my opinion the constitution is unequivocal..It is an individual right to have arms ?? I'm not confused. I truly think I am right!

[fabsroman]

The funny thing about the law is that it can get bent by the Court almost at will. It is utterly nuts. If the Supreme Court rules against the 2nd Amendment case being for the individual right to bear arms, I think Congress should propose an Amendment to the Constitution to let the people vote on whether or not the right to bear arms should be extended to individuals. Let the people speak on the matter, in mass. Granted, it takes a lot more than a majority to pass an Amendment to the Constitution, but somehow I think this Amendment might just pass.

At the end of the day, I am hoping that the Supreme Court will uphold the DC decision, that this entire 2nd Amendment issue will become a non-issue, and that will be the end of it. Then, we can concentrate on bigger issues than gun control.

I wonder for how long the 2nd Amendment has actually been an issue in this country's 230 year existence? I'm guessing that it has only recently become an issue or we would have plenty of case law from the late 1700's, early 1800's that would have put this matter to rest a long time ago, when the meaning/intent of the founding fathers was actually known, and some of the founding fathers were still living and breathing.

[skeet]

The 2nd amendment has been in the courts quite a few times and it has always portrayed the 2nd as an individual right per se. The cases that have been heard have always been very specific though. The last big time court hearing on guns etc was Miller in the 30's. The thing that was decided then was that the 2nd did not apply to sawed off shotguns and the court decided that the right to own a sawed off shotgun was not intended by the 2nd Amendment. The Feds then considered the sawed off shotgun to be a banned weapon because of the 33?? gun control act that banned the ownership of machine guns and other such things as sawed off shotguns and hand grenades ...THAT WERE NOT REGISTERED. The government wanted control of arms that had been used by the mobs of those times. Even at that time the ability to buy explosives was not very regulated. Heck until about 1975 you could buy dynamite even in Maryland pretty darn easily. Unhappily the government has really tightened the availability of any kinds of explosives..(check the newest controls on Black powder) So what I needed to blow stumps etc I manufactured myself. Heck years ago my cousin and I even made some crude nitro. Got in REAL trouble when my uncles outhouse(not in use for quite some time) kinda ..sorta..disappeared one hot afternoon. Not a good evening when he got home...bout a 1/2 hour later. I just don't trust the court to vote constitionally!