Let's Save America NOW... and make some money

[rattus58]

Hi Fabs....

You know you actually nailed the problem very clearly. Companies buying debt that holds as equity... more debt, and to think... Bush's no child left behind came too late.

I had to take economics curses in order to receive the designations I hold... and even a dolt such as I grasped a little of free market... and I had to come up with 20% if I wanted a mortgage in 1973-1975 when I built my house.

Aloha...

[Valigator]

Originally posted by L. Cooper
Well, that proves something, alright Rattus. I agree with you that your last post represents real prejudice. What you don�t understand is that prejudice is never a good thing. Ever.

When I first started reading Hunt Chat it was a really great site for hunting and shooting information of all kinds. There are still some people here who are unparalleled sources of information about both. Eventually, I moved from lurking to occasional postings. I checked the site almost every day at some point. Not any more.

I don�t know if anyone else has noticed that there are far fewer hunting and shooting information enquiries and discussions than there used to be, but I feel there are. Bigbrother is hanging out in the Beyond 500 Yards forum asking where everyone went. I used to love reading about those guys and their techniques and equipment. I didn�t do that stuff, and I always thought they were a little nuts, but it was fascinating. Now, nothing.

Is anyone else wondering why this site is slowly contracting in numbers with a kind of evolutionary change in the topics of conversation away from the hunting and shooting focus it had to a kind of angry, protectionist, and extreme right wing social and political whining? It�s just not much fun any more.

It used to be that disagreement was met with disagreement and argument: just what I would expect from reasonable, but strong minded people. Now, my attempt to stir a reasonable discussion of causes and possible solutions to a very serious economic issue is met with ridicule, anger, and �real prejudice�. The level of name calling is very sad. Just look at how many times in the last month Obama�s name has been twisted into rhyming jokes like I used to see in the elementary school yard.

Why is it necessary to call him names? Is genuine political discussion now impossible? What happened to the ideals of respect for individuals, free speech, democracy, and the right to think whatever you wanted? How did disagreeing with someone come to mean it is time to whip out the name calling and insults? Is all this part of the reason the �Tools of the Trade� section is basically dead? Have people just quit coming here because Hunt Chat has lost its focus, and is now a narrow minded source of �real prejudice�?

To the moderators who still seem to me to be trying, I wish you the best. Several of you have helped me in the past with advice on guns and shooting, and I have enjoyed discussions of other things with you too. But it just isn�t very informative to come here any more. And the attitude I get now if I say anything about my own social or political opinions is almost always angry, condescending, and insulting. No discussion; just the assumption I am stupid.

Hunt Chat is not what it was. It has lost its focus, and gained too much angry prejudice. I will be back to read this thread and see what reactions this post gets, but I will not post here again.

I always liked and enjoyed your post..I wish you wouldnt go...Val

[fabsroman]

L. Cooper,

You have to realize that this board is mostly made up of conservatives, as I would guess hunters in general are. I visit a cycling chatboard and their Politics Only ("PO") forum is mostly liberals. There are a few conservatives in there, but not many. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. That is what is great about this country. However, you know what they say about discussing politics. It takes some thick skin, and even though somebody might be completely wrong about their reasons behind voting for somebody, it takes a heck of a lot to change the way they think.

[Tater]

Don't let a few small-minded people drive you away from this board. I'd hate to see someone leave just because some people like to put others down because they don't agree with their OPINIONS. Most of us appreciate a good debate even though we may not agree with each others OPINIONS.

[Tater]

I don't know if anyone else has noticed that there are far fewer hunting and shooting information enquiries and discussions than there used to be

As for the lack of hunting and shooting posts, a lot of folks are out hunting and shooting so those posts are few and far between. I've been a member of this board since '01(?) and things always slow down this time of year.

[rattus58]

Gee... L. Cooper says "It used to be that disagreement was met with disagreement and argument: just what I would expect from reasonable, but strong minded people. Now, my attempt to stir a reasonable discussion of causes and possible solutions to a very serious economic issue is met with ridicule, anger, and �real prejudice�. The level of name calling is very sad. Just look at how many times in the last month Obama�s name has been twisted into rhyming jokes like I used to see in the elementary school yard. "

Well please show me on this thread where there has been ANY name calling, ANY anger, ANY ridicule, and ANY prejudice other than against market idealism, as proposed as being "healthy".

It seems that some just cannot bear the disagreement with others OPINIONS themselves. If you all have an opinion state it. If you all have an idea, outline it. If someone who has lived through something disagrees with you why is it you abandone your post, or try to shut down discussion?

Bet you all feel that we should have limits on conservative talk radio too don't you?

[Valigator]

(It seems that Valigator and Cooper just cannot bear the disagreement with others OPINIONS themselves. If you all have an opinion state it. If you all have an idea, outline it. If someone who has lived through something disagrees with you why is it you abandone your post, or try to shut down discussion? )

where does that come from? I like a debate with the best of them..just exactly what is it again I cant bear?

[rattus58]

Valigator....

Your right, I owe you a great apology..... I had ... don't even know .... I apologize for not being accurate in my post, not reading my post before I posted, did not at all mean to include you in that post.... No excuse for it other than I suffer from intra-cranial rectal insertion.

Please forgive me.

Much Aloha,

Tom

[petey]

There may not be name calling in this thread but there is a clear violation of one of my 10 commandments. Please read #5, in fact everyone please read all 10 again to refresh the terms you agreed to when you joined.

(5) No personal attacks, period. This includes disrespect, antagonism, baiting, name-calling and a host of other demeaning attributes. Such behavior, whether perceived as justified or not, is forbidden. Disagreements are common in groups of highly individual people, but we pursue the goal of communication above insult and we endeavor to keep it that way. If you feel the need to pursue such an exchange, do it off site. It will not be tolerated here. If you feel that you are being personally attacked by a moderator or treated unfairly, please notify Petey immediately.

(9) Courtesy, politeness, and a sense of humor pay more dividends than they cost. Feel free to use all three in copious amounts.

Seems to me there is quite a bit of antagonism and baiting going on in AAG these days and quite frankly I'm getting fed up with it. Certain members have been warned numerous times and are just about at the end of their own rope.

I understand the need for a good debate and everyone is entitled to their opinion and PLEASE post your opinion...but do it with respect to other posters. Do not antagonize others, Do not bait them into a flame war, just because your opinion differs. If you don't like my rules, please leave....but I'm done warning. All members need to follow them or you will be forced to leave.

You seem to forget that this is a free service I and I ALONE provide for all 30,000 members to use, for the purpose to share information….not fight or bully. Everyone may have opinions, but I am the bouncer at the door whose sick of members not playing nice.

Enough said…I hope. I think I’ve made myself clear?

[rattus58]

Hi Petey....

Other than the "small-minded people" dig of Taters, I'm afraid that I have failed to grasp exactly what you are referring to on THIS thread? Maybe you would be so kind as to point out what you are referring to?

Aloha... Tom

[Valigator]

Originally posted by rattus58
Valigator....

Your right, I owe you a great apology..... I had ... don't even know .... I apologize for not being accurate in my post, not reading my post before I posted, did not at all mean to include you in that post.... No excuse for it other than I suffer from intra-cranial rectal insertion.

Please forgive me.

Much Aloha,

Tom

No problem...