When the music stops who will be left without a chair?

[Nulle]

I hate to get into these **** throwing matches but they are all the same in my book. Old Richard N. was sure one to be proud of also and this darn mess we are in with the last 8 years is not a good thing. I liked old man Bush but this kid was a wreck and to try and even blame his **** on another is stupid.

[Rapier]

Well Nulle I suggest you get yourself a new soapbox and a double handful and go get your own K-Y, cause your buddy O'BS has your back and you will need it.

I know when it is raining and I know when it is running down my back and I am being told it is rain. 66% of domestic spending is by individuals and they will get not a lump sum, but $8 per week until 2010 !!!!

75-80% of jobs are created or held in small business and they get $4 billion, cut from $67 billion. $4 Billion is less than the amount allocated for ART in the F##%^ bill..... Where is it stimulating anything but your sphincter muscle Mr & Mrs America?
Ed

[Larryjk]

Don't forget who really passed the stimulus bill. Not congress. The Democrats in the House; not one Republican voted for it. The Senate was the Democrats and 3 RINOs. The Democrats have the majority and they intend to screw the country. They are trying to set it up so they always have the majority. They don't really know how pissed off some people in this country are going to be. Don't blame the Republicans for what is going to happen.

[Jack]

"They are trying to set it up so they always have the majority."
You mean, like Tom DeLay tried to do a few years back?

[Larryjk]

Jack, I will give you part of your comment as being correct. Tom Delay did do that but with Texas. He didn't try to open the border so he could get millions of illegal immigrants here and give them amnesty, tax free, etc. so they would vote for his party. I have to wonder if you are on this site if you really care about the Second Amendment and what those jolly folks in DC who have a foolproof majority, are going to do to the Second if they are successful. Are you ready to lay down everything you have to save the country?

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Larryjk

Jack, I will give you part of your comment as being correct. Tom Delay did do that but with Texas. He didn't try to open the border so he could get millions of illegal immigrants here and give them amnesty, tax free, etc. so they would vote for his party. I have to wonder if you are on this site if you really care about the Second Amendment and what those jolly folks in DC who have a foolproof majority, are going to do to the Second if they are successful. Are you ready to lay down everything you have to save the country?

Easy Larry....
This is why political threads almost always tend to go ugly. While Jack's political flavor may be different than most here, I will guarantee you, from all the years I have known Jack here, he is all about our second amendment protection. Most people choose their political choices on more than one issue.
Perswonally I love politicaql discussions as long as things stay civil.

[Jack]

Larry, Tom DeLay did some maneuvering in Texas to gain 5 extra seats for Republicans in the House of Representatives. His purpose was to cement a permanent Republican majority in the House. That's what he said, not my interpretation.
As to the rest of your post, I'll refrain from comment.

[Larryjk]

Lone Wolf and Jack, I apologize for the remark I made about the Second Amendment, but it is what has me so g------ mad about what is happening! All during the campaigns the word was that there wasn't going to be any going after the guns. Is the current HR45 what they meant about not going after the guns? Is there some way to stop that bill. I was raised by a Democratic father, but I know he wouldn't eat the lies that are currently no holds barred, say anything until you get elected. Tell me fellows, how are you going to communicated with your reps and senators? Are you going to tell them you are proud of what they are doing?

[skeet]

Is exactly what I feared would happen. This HR 45 is just the start. I said this one time before here on HC..and someone said that ol Nobama would have too much on his plate to worry about guns..sure. I also said that in 4 or 5 yrs you won't recognize this country..I think I will have to change that statement to under 3 yrs. It isn't creeping socialism..it is bounding Marxism. This guy Nobama is going to be the worst thing for this country ever. Even worse than the wars we have been involved in....At least they were fought to ensure our freedoms. This idiot we have had foisted on us in the name of change is a Marxist pure and simple.. And y'all thought Bush II was bad. You ain't seen nothing yet. And if you voted for him ...as a gun owner and sportsman.... you SHOULD be ASHAMED!! You drank the Kool-aid as they say!

[fabsroman]

My God, I just read bits and pieces of HR45, and the guy that wrote that must be nuts. I think the Democrats are going to push their "mandate" way too far just in this first year and come next election for Congressional seats in 2010 there will be a significant change.

[Jack]

The only place HR45 is going, is into the trash bin.
Every year, tons of totally ridiculous bills are introduced, that have no chance of ever being passed into law. In fact, often even the guy who introduced it doesn't want it passed into law.
Let me give you an example of how this works. Let's say the Coalition For Left Handed Monkey Wrenches is headquartered in Congressman XYZ's district. The Coalition, or CLM, wants right handed monkey wrenches outlawed. So, they start lobbying Congressman XYZ to introduce a bill. Congressman XYZ, knows that the CLM will raise hell in the next election if he doesn't introduce the bill they want - and contribute serious $$'s to his opponent, so, he introduces a bill banning left handed monkey wrenches. Now, Congressman XYZ isn't an idiot- he knows the bill is stupid. So, he quietly suggests the bill die in committee - and it quietly does. Now, XYZ can go back to his district and run in the next election, proclaiming proudly that he introduced a bill the CLM wanted, thus gaining support, and raking in campaign contributions in his district.
Bills like HR45 are used all the time to gain favor (or opposition) from one group of people or another.

[skeet]

I hope you are right about the HR45 going to H in a handbasket...But think..There is a new Bunch of owlhoots in town(Washington) and they will rubber stamp anything that they want to go through..Just way too many liberal idiots in power now. This bill would possibly cause an armed insurrection in this country. Not a good thing!

[Jack]

Skeet, one tip off about a bill that's being backed by most of one party or the other, is co sponsors. If a bill has a chance to actually get through Congress and become law, a lot of politicians are going to want to take credit for it. Thus, bills that are actually going to get some action, and maybe pass, will always have several co sponsors.
HR45 has none.
The real purpose of a bill like HR45 is as a fundraiser, by both the 'for's' and the 'anti's' .
Each side will be hammering their constituency for money.
"help pass such and such- send money" or "send money so we can fight this bill".

[Larryjk]

Jack, I understand what you are explaining, but we have a congress that could show how they have a great majority by passing more stupid bills. Skeet is right about what the eventual outcome to something this stupid would be.

[skeet]

Originally Posted by Jack

Skeet, one tip off about a bill that's being backed by most of one party or the other, is co sponsors. If a bill has a chance to actually get through Congress and become law, a lot of politicians are going to want to take credit for it. Thus, bills that are actually going to get some action, and maybe pass, will always have several co sponsors.
HR45 has none.
The real purpose of a bill like HR45 is as a fundraiser, by both the 'for's' and the 'anti's' .
Each side will be hammering their constituency for money.
"help pass such and such- send money" or "send money so we can fight this bill".

The way politics and money are all interrelated. I also understand how something so stupid can get passed without even looking at the bill. It can also be stuck into another bill to make it look better. As a very good case in point..this last 800 Billion dollar spending bill.. It isn't a bail out or anything else..it is just a payback is a B***ch pork bill to pay off everyone who supported the present administration. All the Congressmen and Senators are back home now telling people in their state what they are going to be getting...Without really knowing themselves. They(the ones who passed the bill) NEVER EVEN READ IT. But they seem to know what their state is gonna get?? Sheesh!! Makes 'em look good but they aren't telling ANYONE how much it is going to cost each taxpayer in this country If there were 200 Million taxpayers(there ain't) they would each have to cough up 4000 bucks just to pay the principal on that bill. And we're all going to get a tax break Sure we are. As far as passing the bill in question..Nobody will want to put their name on it..but they can still pass it or attach it to another good for us type of bill. Do you TRUST this bunch of thieves?? I surely don't. As I said...this stuff isn't creeping Socialism...it is galloping Marxism. And no matter what the bill may be..We the people are going to HAVE to pay the price...monetary or otherwise! I hope the idiots who voted for these thieves wake up and see things in the light of day I doubt they will though.