Where oh where is America going?

[skeet]

Originally Posted by Swift

2012 is coming

NOT SOON ENOUGH...we might not make it through 2010

[Swift]

We'll make it. We may be severely damaged goods but we'll make it.

[PJgunner]

Skeet said, "Sadly I think the powers that be would not heed a good lesson. They be IN CHARGE!! and the common citizen is dirt under their feet."

You just hit the nail on the head. Some of those "royals" have been in office so long that they feel they are not only better than us peons ans serf, (I refuse to be either one.) but that they know much better what is best for us. I got news for them. Considering all their unconstitutional spending that is doing absolutely nothing except bankrupting my country, I figure damnfew of them know the difference between their arse and a hole in the ground, even with a detailed map.
Remember that book, THE PETER PRINCIPLE? you know, where one rises to their highest level of incompetency? Look at the U.S. Congress and you see the Peter Princile in action. JMHO, but they work for us and they're doing a lousy job. If I'd done my job as bad as they're doing, I would have been fired. It's lpng past time the "royals' not only got canned, but put back in their place and are educated to the fact that they are not better than the est of us.
Paul B.
as hell!

[skeet]

Term limits

[VaRedneck]

This is a worrisome time.

I'm a carpenter by trade. A few years ago I was laid off from a small custom home builder. I've since found a decent job with a commercial builder. The housing bubble's....burst, was seen way before it made the evening news.

Today's look at the economy is deceiving. When asked how my company is doing or "construction" in general.....it's said...."we have so many million in contracts on the books just waiting for us. We're fine." Those contracts we're signed...last year. What's coming down the pike for next year is what worries me...or what's not coming....more like. Fewer opportunities....more competition....smaller profit margins in order to compete with smaller companies....many of whom (not all) show no signs of remorse for having hired cheap, unskilled....illegal labor.

11 Nov '08 will forever be known as the day the US ceased to be...as least the US as we knew it....to the detriment of us all.

The right started losing it's...power...grip....influence, years ago. The first real sign was losing the House. The media's influence played a major roll. That went unseen...or at least....wasn't dealt with by those that shoulda and coulda stepped up. They still haven't so much as stood up. Still sitting on their asses....content to wait.

Well....that, in a nutshell is what brought us to this....state.

The spendulous....for every pet project on the left's books....a budget that dwarfs anything ever proposed.....slashing the defense budget...."free" national health care.....and the final nail in the coffin will be cap and trade.....or the domestic version of the Kyoto Abortion.

People say...when the repubs get back in, it'll all go back. Wanna bet?

Take a look at SS. How's that "temp" program working out?

It all boils down to one aspect of our society...

The degredation of personal reponsibilty. No longer are people willing to stand up and take responsibility for themselves or their own actions.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by skeet

Term limits

The big problem with Cap & Trade is that the people that enjoy the least amount of pollution will also enjoy the cheapest electric bills because the electric companies that do not pollute can sell their unused credits to those companies that do pollute a lot. Now, to pay for the credits the polluting companies need, they will have to raise the rates on their users. Not only will those people be living in smog, but they will have to pay extra for the smog.

With that said, I have no idea how to solve this problem. We could fine the crap out of the heaviest polluters, but that would just result in the rates being raised for the end users.

As far as wind power generation is concerned, I just read something today that says the US is #1 in the generation of power from wind.

Now, another way for us to help all of this out is to stop using the AC, and to use other high draw appliances late at night. If EVERYBODY did their part, we wouldn't have as big a problem.

Last but not least, you DO NOT have to wait until 2012. Half of Congress goes through an election every 2 years, so at least they can be replaced by 2010.

Good luck to all of us.

[skeet]

Well here we go again..

Originally Posted by fabsroman

The big problem with Cap & Trade is that the people that enjoy the least amount of pollution will also enjoy the cheapest electric bills because the electric companies that do not pollute can sell their unused credits to those companies that do pollute a lot. Now, to pay for the credits the polluting companies need, they will have to raise the rates on their users. Not only will those people be living in smog, but they will have to pay extra for the smog.

Fabs..my friend what part of this don't you understand?? This isn't about pollution.. Get with it here.. This is all about TAXES> Generation of MORE money for the gummit. They could care less about the pollution. You're starting to sound like one of the greenies> Are we as a nation creating the worldwide pollution problems solely?? If we are the only nation that does this cap and trade bullsh**t it won't make even 1% of difference worldwide. The Europeans have left cap and trade waaayyy behind in the dust.

With that said, I have no idea how to solve this problem. We could fine the crap out of the heaviest polluters, but that would just result in the rates being raised for the end users.

Problem?? See previous answer. The gummit in power at this time in this country wants only one thing..CONTROL...Controlling power generation will surely bring many to their knees in this country..They really wouldn't know how to live without their electricity. And don't forget the NIMBYs That is why we have no new refineries etc etc etc. And as I said..they surely don't want one of those nasty lookin windmills in their back yard. Not even solar panels cause they are ugly..sheesh! And the cost of setting up a solar generation for each house is way to high..as much as 35-40 thousand bucks at present costs.

As far as wind power generation is concerned, I just read something today that says the US is #1 in the generation of power from wind.

But look where most of the wind generation is..out here in the mid and rocky mountain west. As I said..Not In My Back Yard is their cry..but they want to be eco friendly?? One of the big financiers has already dropped his pipe dream about windpower generation. Found out there would be too much cost to get the power back to the people..

Now, another way for us to help all of this out is to stop using the AC, and to use other high draw appliances late at night. If EVERYBODY did their part, we wouldn't have as big a problem.

And here , again, we have a problem. Do you really think they are gonna stop..It's ok for everyone else to stop..but not THEM. You know... I'm not a big conspiracy theorist.. but it is looking more and more like Gore and his cronies are attempting to scare everyone into going along with them in lockstep..Just more control. Higher prices for us the consumers and no real net gain environmentally or economically. The extra taxes will just go to pay for more marxist programs. As Pogo would say..I thinks we is in deep do-do

[fabsroman]

Let me start off with saying that I am not in favor of Cap & Trade. However, I am in favor of some sort of regulation regarding pollution.

Why isn't everybody that is up in arms about carbon pollution (e.g., the smog you see in LA and the haze in New York City) up in arms about laws regarding littering? The crap being belched into the sky is the same thing as the crap being throw on the side of the road, just slightly different. When you live in Wyoming with nice clean air and beautiful skies, or on the Eastern Shore well away from DC, I guess this isn't that much of a concern.

As far as other countries are concerned, there isn't much we can do about them until they wise up. Again, WE could stop buying their goods, but that will not happen either because WE want everything made under the sun and WE want it as cheap as possible. I've been looking at Made In labels lately, and they are all made in China. It really pisses me off.

FYI - this government doesn't have a clue what they want except that they want to be re-elected, and it isn't looking that good for them in 2010 from what I have seen. What really talks is the lobby money. That is what really controls the government. Without that money and those backers, these politicians cannot get re-elected.

[DON WALKUP]

what ever happened to: "a government OF the people, FOR the people, BY the people..."?

i agree with term limits...NO one should be able to serve in ANY elected position for more than 10 years in his/her lifetime.

[skeet]

[QUOTE=DON WALKUP;331305]what ever happened to: "a government OF the people, FOR the people, BY the people..."?

It's still that way..of the people by the people for the people who think the rest of us should have exactly what THEY feel we should have. The people to them refers to the aristocracy..meaning themselves and their cronies

and I feel no more than 8 yrs in any position..no moving up..or down