Congress does it again???

[bulletpusher]

Well its now being reported on the radio that Congress has now passed a bill (called the Mustang act) that allicates $700,000.00 per year for horse condums and horse abortations!!!!!!

What is this world coming to. Why are they wanting to spend that much money to prevent horses from making little horsess

This makes about as much since as sending all of the horses to sex education classes to explain about population control among the horses.

Besides who's supporse to put the condums on the damn horses anyway.

Now if its some of these asses in congress, would attempt to do the job, I might pay a dollar to see one of them try that, and watch the horse stomp a puddle in there middle.

God help us, if they caint keep coming up with more stupid ways to spend out money.

What do you guys and ladies think about this.

[PJgunner]

Back around 1973, an old ecoreak called Wild Horse Annie got a jillion hysterical kids and bunnyhuggers to get the Congress to ram through the Wild Horsre and Burro act, giving them federal protection. Since then, these NON-NATIVE broken down useless horses have been under federal control. I used to have a neat hidey hole where deer were plentiful until a hear of those damn nags moved in. My hunting partner and I had scouted the area about two weeks before the season and there were lots of deer and deer sign. We wee there before sunrise on opening day and not a der in sight. We did not see a one, but we saw a damn big herd of mustangs. The horse literally fouled the water hole with urine and their droppings and no self respecting deer would want to have anything to do with trying to drink that mess.
We were sorely tempted to shoot every damn one of those nags and Wild Horse Annie as well. Our huntng group cheer the day we heard she'd gone to her horse pasture in the sky.
Those horses and wild burros are not native animal to North America. They were brought here by the Spanish explorers and when they left, they turned the horses loose to fend for themselves. Same deal with the burros, abandoned by prospecters who went bust trying to find gold. At one tome prior to 1973, government hunters were paid to shoot them to keep them in check. Both the horses and burros have done extensive ecological damage out here in the west and frankly. IMHO,they should be shot off.
When I lived in Nevada, there was a water hole where I used to call in coyotes for their hides. One day, a mustang showed up that was definitely badly hurt, probably hit by a car as it looked like a broken shoulder. I lived in a small touwn where everybody knew everybody so I got hold of the local BLM agent and told him about the horse. We went out and although this animal was in serious pain, neither of us could shoot it due to federal law. One day, when I went to try for a few yotes, trhe hose was there, dead. Looks like the coyotes took it down during the night. It didn't take them all that long to clean up what was left.
The government needs money. Shoot the horses and sell the meat to the French. They love horse meat. The hides make good leather.
Wee
ll, we keep putting those jackasses in office so we're getting exactly what we deserve.
Paul B.

[bulletpusher]

I didn't vote for any one of the commie sh** head basterds up in Washington. As far as I'm concerned that commie sh** mascarading as president has yet to prove that he is even an American, born here in the United States of America and not overseas in some rag head sh** hole. He tells all of the Arab countries that we are not a Christian Nation, then comes back here and says something different to keep his front up.

The people I voted for haven't voted for all of the crap going on now. If they do, they will never get another vote from me and I'll do everything within my power to find someone else to vote for to take their place.

But I digress, "I did not vote for him or any of his followers". I would never vote for someone that is showing the Evil that his guy is bruing up.

Believe what you want, my complaint is about the stupidity of government spending.

[Jack]

Here are a couple links to what is in H.R 1018, known as The Mustang Act.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1018/show
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1018
http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills...1_HR_1018.html
I see nothing in the text of the bill about horse condoms or horse abortions.

[bulletpusher]

Jack,

I have not read the bill as of yet, I just reported what was on the radio, from 3 different comentators at 3 different times of the day on 2 different radio stations.

My complaint is about the $700,000.00 spent on population control of horses that was reported on the radio.

I can remimber when I was a youngster the radio reports and newspaper reports about the government spending money (millions and millions) on things like "Studies to find out how a bumble bee fly's, can frisbees be used as flares, etc., etc. It appears that the government has not changed even after all of these years, the commie liberal demicrats where in power then also.

I can tell you the conversations about the horse condums and abortatons was broadcast live over the air waves.

Take it for what its worth.

[GoodOlBoy]

* On Friday July 17, the House of Representatives met to debate . . . Go on, take a guess: Health care? The cap-and-tax racket? Stimulus Two? No, none of the above. Don’t worry, they’re still spending your money. Wild horses couldn’t stop them doing that. The Bill provides condoms for horses.

The welfare mustangs are supposed to be put up for adoption. But, what with the government taking all our money to fund the Barney Frank Institute of Bureaucracy Studies, many of us no longer have the necessary discretionary income to stable a mustang in the rec room. A lot of the nags in managed-care facilities are getting a bit long in the tooth, and thus unlikely ever to find homes. So, rather than go on attempting to flog near-dead horses, the BLM was considering inviting the seniors to do the decent thing and sign up for assisted suicide or, in the designated euphemism, death with dignity. In the Netherlands, pretty much everyone over 47 who goes into hospital for a minor hernia winds up getting talked into death with dignity. Given that mustangs were introduced to America by the Spanish, its not inappropriate that they should meet a European end. With all this in mind congress decided to mandate enhanced contraception for horses and burros. Yes that’s right $700 million for Horse Condoms.

http://monroerising.com/2009/07/20/b...horse-condoms/

didn't take much of a search to find about 50 websites with this information in it.

GoodOlBoy

[GoodOlBoy]

House Democrats plan to hold a vote on the “Restore Our American Mustangs Act” (H.R.1018), which would create a new $700 million welfare program for wild horses. This floor action comes at a time when unemployment has soared to 9.5 percent, a 26-year high, and the federal deficit has grown to a historic $1 trillion.

“There are serious issues facing our country right now and it’s absurd that Democrat leaders believe that spending $700 million to pamper wild horses is the best use of our time and Americans’ tax dollars,” said Ranking Member Hastings. “Instead of restoring American mustangs, let’s restore American jobs and put the horsepower back into our economy.”

Here’s what HR1018 proposes to do with the $700 million:

* Conducts a horse census every two years
* Provides “enhanced contraception” and birth control for horses
* Establishes an additional 19 million acres of public and private land for wild horses
* Covers $5 million tab to repair horse damage to land
* Mandates that government bureaucrats perform home inspections before Americans can adopt horses

Birth control … for horses. How exactly does that restore the mustang population? If it needs “restoring”, doesn’t that suggest that we need to encourage reproduction rather than launching a mustang safe-sex program? Of course, mustang rubbers would make each successive “horse census” easier, assuming mustangs can figure out how to wear them.

And what exactly does a government inspection of a home for “adopting” a mustang mean? It sounds like a back-door way for the federal government to interfere with horse sales, or at best a wildly stupid idea about the role of the federal government in relation to American homes and pet adoption. Note that the federal government does not do home inspections for human adoption; those get handled by state governments.

Of course, it’s the third point that really means anything at all. It’s a land grab. Congress wants to condemn another 19 million acres of land for their own control, and they’re using the mustangs as an excuse. It’s transparent, and transparently stupid in the middle of this economic crisis. Democrats need to quit laying money on the horses — and while they’re at it, quit betting with House money on socialist schemes.

from another site. . . .

GoodOlBoy

[skeeter@ccia.com]

Bulletpusher, they could employ one of those people that are called ' bullmilkers'...now if they can do that job, they are mean and tough enough to put condoms on a horse....lmao..just need someone to hold their sign

[Jack]

GOB, I can see lots of references in the links you've shown- but again, not in the bill.

[GoodOlBoy]

Fine, I could read it aloud for you but we cannot attach audio files.

‘(10) Research, develop, and implement enhanced fertility control for mares, stallions, or both, such as surgical or immunocontraception sterilization or other safe, humane, and effective methods of fertility control.’.

‘(J) the percentage of the Bureau of Land Management budget devoted to contraception annually;

‘(L) which herds have been administered contraception and with what results.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=h111-1018

you would think that someone who had read the bill would have noticed the word contraception mentioned in plain letters THREE times (oops immunocontraception once of three wouldnt want to misquote).

Does it mean condoms per say as it is listed in the bill? No. But Barney Franks was the one who sliped up during a private interview with a liberal newspaper and used the word condom. Afterwards it spread to the media in sarcasm. They still want birth control for wild horses. PERIOD.

No I don't have the link to Barney Franks slipup, it was a blurb on TV and believe it or not my danged tv don't paste links, at least not from local TV news stations.

GoodOlBoy

[Jack]

"Does it mean condoms per say as it is listed in the bill? No"
Nor does the word 'abortion' appear.
And that is all I said.

[bulletpusher]

Jack,

Your defication is compacted so tight that your svinkter is puckered tighter than Dicks hat band.

No one can please you. You just keep wanting to bring up does it really say put condums on horses or abortation of damn horses.

Do you even care that the damn government, lead by and illegal alien, spends us, and our decendents for about 200 years into the poor house and will be paying for all of the crap those a**holes are spending our money on.

I give up, you win, your butt is the blackest.

[GoodOlBoy]

Franks mentioned abortion in the same interview he talked about condoms.

The bill doesn't mention it, but it danged sure leaves the loophole open for it.

GoodOlBoy

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by Jack

"Does it mean condoms per say as it is listed in the bill? No"
Nor does the word 'abortion' appear.
And that is all I said.

I'm with Jack on this one and I haven't even read the bill yet. What is hilarious is that people on here are complaining about too many horses screwing up their hunting spot and getting rid of the deer, and then they are complaining about the government doing something to try and decrease the horse population.

Now, I completely understand that there are too many horses, and the cheap way to get rid of the problem is to allow people to shoot them all. Now, after you kill a group of 100 horses, what do you do with the carcasses? Do you just leave them out there to rot for the vultures/buzzards, and for the bears and wolves? Next thing you know, you guys will be complaining that there are too many wolves and bear around and they are eating all the deer now because they ran out of dead horse carcasses. So, you will want to start shooting the bear and wolves. After they are all gone, you will be complaining that the proliferation of deer are causing way too many human fatalities in car crashes, but there will not be enough hunters out there to take care of the deer over population. Believe me, I know, because we have this problem in Maryland right now.

I am a conservative, and my father in-law watches some conservative show on Fox or some other channel every time he visits. Well, this one guy was going down the list of 100 top pork spending amounts, but he was going through it so quickly and not spending any time on any one of them. I had so many questions about them, and some didn't really seem that off the wall.

Honestly, I think way too many liberals and conservatives (i.e., Americans in general) get their political information from radio shows and TV shows where it is the hosts only goal to make sure that people remain tuned in. Imagine actually going through all the reasoning behind some of these spending bills. People would turn off the TV/radio because that is not what they want to hear. Conservatives want to hear how bad the current government is doing, and the liberals want to hear how good it is doing. Americans really do not want to read through proposed legislative bills, especially ones that are 1,000 pages long. Heck, our representatives don't even want to read through that much stuff.

If you dig deep enough, I'm sure there is plenty of money being spent on CRP and other things that we as hunters find to be great ideas, but the rest of America thinks is BS.

[GoodOlBoy]

fabs I understand what Jack originally said. Not it doesn't appear in the bill, but the word Ruger Blackhawk doesn't appear in the HR45 handgun bill either and you can bet your bottom it will be affected as well. What people are up in arms about, and where this comes from are the words of one of the Bill's MAJOR sponsors Barney Franks (may he grow a boil on his backside the size of his ego). You can bet that if Franks has said these things (which I heard from his mouth via a newscast assuming they didn't manipulate the audio track on the video) then you can bet he intends to try them once the Bill is passed.

Hunters or no hunters the Bill is BS. First a Bill comes along to save the wild mustang from extinction (which there was little danger of if you look at the numbers back then) and now they want contraception because there are too many of them. This from people and organizations who can't even get an accurate headcount!

It is the same thing happening OVER AND OVER

Example #1
The hog problems in Texas. In the 80's reactionary Congressmen caused the pig market to just about go bankrupt because of a few cases of pigs with runny noses. People couldn't sell their hogs for enough money to pay for the feed they cost so they declared bankruptcy, opened the pens, and left. Now the 90's come along and the pigs are destroying crops, fields, and pastures so people begin to trap and hunt them as a favor to property owners and sell the meat to slaughterhouses. A Congressman decides that it is making money off of a natrual resource and we can't have that so a bill is passed declaring that feral pigs cannot be sold to slaughterhouses since it is a natural resouce, against the advice of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. You can eat it, or you can leave it to rot, but you can't sell it. Now the 00's roll around and Texas is talking about passing a Multi(read hundreds of)million dollar deal to help landowners deal with the staggering number of feral hogs destroying the countryside, crops, hay fields, etc. To solve the problem the idiots that the overeducated helped put in office could simply repeal the 90's law and let people begin to trap them and sell them again, but in order to do that these overarrogant overeducated buggers would have to admit they were wrong, and they are not about to do that.

Example #2
In the 80's a small feed company in Texas found that they could use a specially designed boat to harvest the hydrilla (we just call it seaweed even though its freshwater) from lakes and ponds and make highly nutritious cattle feed out of it. They begin to do so, and feed prices drop slightly with this feed being the lowest priced stuff you could buy. Small farmers and ranchers loved the stuff and we bought it by the truckload since cattle did VERY well on it. A Congressman decided this was making profit from a natural resouce (again) and sponsered a bill that was passed into law to put a stop to it. The 90's Roll along and now those with lakeside property are having to pay thousands of extra dollars a year, and taxpayers are paying even more in the counties with these large lakes to have the hydrilla poisoned, harvested, and burned to get rid of it every few months. Now the 00's come along and it is discovered that all the "harmless" poison used to kill the Hyrdilla was actually killing out other aquatic plants as well, and now there is a problem with pollution and O2 saturation levels in the lakes. So now we have a Bill sitting in the Texas house waiting to be passed to spend multi(yet again read hundres of)million dollars to rebuild the native aquatic plants and find a way to deal with the hydrilla. Why not let the small buisness make cattle feed again and employee the hundreds or workers it once did? Because they would have to admit they were wrong.

Example #3
Nutria rats in Louisiana. In the 60's and 70's Nutria rats were reintroduced to Louisiana bayous and creeks to help get rid of problems in overvegatated areas. In the 80's the population of these little buggers began to suddenly grow by leaps and bounds. Enter the 90's. Now the rats are cutting burrows in dikes and dams and causing other problems with Louisiana public and private waterways. A Japanese company offers to build a plant in Louisiana to harvest, clean, and can Nutria meat (which is a delicacy in Asian countries) and hire 1400+ people to start. The plans include the eventuality of building Nutria farms (and hiring more people) once the wild population has been brought under control. Louisiana congressmen decide that this would be making money off of a wild resource and say no. 00's roll around the Nutria problem is worse than ever. The worst of the areas have a bounty (ranging from $20 to $50 a head) on Nutria and the state is looking to pass a multi(yep you guessed it hundreds of)million dollar bill to help combat the increasing populations.

This is the lack of common sense, and the tendancy to make the same mistakes OVER AND OVER AND OVER by overeducated dimwits put into power.

There are common sense low cost solutions to almost all of these problems. Now go try to convince a senator, or congressman to help do them and sit back and watch as their eyes roll back in their head and they begin to foam at the mouth chanting "Can't make money off of the system." while drooling on themselves.

GoodOlBoy