Bush/Obama I am getting pissed.

[Larryjk]

Now AT Eric Holder is going to follow the Democratic Party playbook and slam another suit against Arizona. This one will claim they are sponsoring racial profiling. He didn't file this with the first one because he wants to have them defend innumerable suits, which is more expensive than one suit. Their are also 7 states filing against AZ; states that are following the democratic line.
Does this practice ring a bell on what was being done to Sarah Pallin in Alaska? Bury them in frivolous suits so they have to defend each one separately to drive up the cost.
It is getting close to campaign time where the Dems will not campaign on issues, but on character assassination. They will follow the pattern of attacking the individual rather than issues. I realize this will make some unhappy, but before you attack me think about whether or not I am correct!

[skeet]

Hey Fabs..In the US they would give 'em the exam in Spanish.. Last sentence. But still my friend..what is wrong with making 'em come here legally?? Send 'em back and give 'em first dibs...after paying your idea of tax and all past Social Security taxes.. And I feel we should put a restriction on the amount of money they can legally send out of the country(60 bucks a month per family?) at least till they attain US citizenship..taking the test in English. And no sponsorship of any other family members. Your family and mine(well, some) came here that way..what's wrong with it now? I really don't see you understanding the idea of illegally..And as far as rounding 'em up..if we give 'em the option of surrendering and being deported and put on the first dibs list..or not doing so and being deported with no chance of coming back.. I think most would opt for the first option..especially if we tell 'em any property and money would be confiscated.. Personally as illegals, I feel that they should NOT be covered under the rights you and I enjoy...They are not citizens so why should they enjoy them? And don't get into legal mumbo jumbo.. Common sense should prevail here. Illegal activity of ALL types causes us as citizens more and more money all the time...especially with all the politicians feathering their nest at our expense by excusing this act and that act..excusing 15-20 million illegal acts by illegal ailens is just inexcuseable. So if I have to pay for their illegal activities..I'd rather pay to send 'em back and help to pay it by confiscating their illegally obtained property including monies. Oh as far as the nonresidents not voting..maybe it should read illegal non residents LOL



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[skeet]

Originally Posted by Larryjk

Now AT Eric Holder is going to follow the Democratic Party playbook and slam another suit against Arizona. This one will claim they are sponsoring racial profiling. He didn't file this with the first one because he wants to have them defend innumerable suits, which is more expensive than one suit. Their are also 7 states filing against AZ; states that are following the democratic line.
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Larry I feel you are correct..but there is another caveat that will follow..they will file it in a court that is favorable to the US That is what all attorneys try to do..get a case in a favored judges court or a jurisdiction that is friendly to them.. Ask Fabs..he knows

[Larryjk]

Skeet, "Shopping" for a favorable judge is always something environmental organizations make sure they have covered. Why wouldn't the US AG do the same thing. Many people (and I am one of them) are saying that federal judges should have geographic boundaries for cases they can hear. At the present time, the enviros are running to a federal judge in Montana, who they seem to have in their pocket. Just my humble opinion. This judge usually finds in their favor. The agency I used to work for would start working on the appeal anytime we had a case before a certain judge in Wyoming. He would always find against us and we knew we had to get the case before the 10th Circuit in Denver if there was any hope of getting a favorable ruling. Kind of gives you a bad taste to know this is how the law really operates.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by skeet

Larry I feel you are correct..but there is another caveat that will follow..they will file it in a court that is favorable to the US That is what all attorneys try to do..get a case in a favored judges court or a jurisdiction that is friendly to them.. Ask Fabs..he knows

He cannot file it in any state other than Arizona. So, he would have to initially file it in federal court in Arizona and then it can be appealled to the appropriate federal Circuit Court and the US Supreme Court if it goes that far.

I read your other post about the first dibs issue versus being put on the "black list"/permanently banned list, and I kind of like it. However, that will take some guts to get passed. If we were to deport them though, I probably would make the "back taxes" a lot less than I previously proposed.

[skeet]

Originally Posted by fabsroman

I read your other post about the first dibs issue versus being put on the "black list"/permanently banned list, and I kind of like it. However, that will take some guts to get passed. If we were to deport them though,

I probably would make the "back taxes" a lot less than I previously proposed.

Why would you make the back taxes less?? SHEESH Fabs..for the most part the illegals in this country are costing you in taxes every day.. Just an average of let's say Five dollars a day..times being conservative, 15 million people kinda adds up to a fair chunk of pocket change(politicians pocket change). And I can tell you that 5 dollars a day doesn't come close.. They get everything that they can possibly get and you me all of us pay for it.. And you want to be easy on a person costimng you a lot of money by doing illegal acts..If you did half as much you'd(or me) be in jail. Check out just one county in California...San Diego County..they are in the hole a minimum of 800 MILLION dollars if I read the figures correctly..One county..Hospitals have closed there because they are going broke supporting the illegals health care..I don't feel sorry for them..I understand they come here to WORK..Then do it legally..And tax them...but they don't want to be taxed..they want it free and clear to send back to Mexico and let us pay for it.. While we are at it lets tax the hell out of the companies who have illegal workers..Say a 1000 dollars a day for each one they find there..every day.. and lets make the CEOs and other bigwigs in the company be legally responsible and send 'em to jail..the practice would stop..and some of the middle management people(read as little guys) wouldn't have to take the heat. Fabs..Read some of the Federalist papers..Those ol guys really did know what could happen.. And what they said could happen sure seems to be happening now..with a bunch of commiecraps running this country..and bleeding hearts just saying..but look...they just want a better life..Well if they do..then do it LEGALLY. Your families did..so did mine.. What is WRONG with that??

[multibeard]

Lets deport the illegals NOW!

Then bring back the Nationals Program as we called it back in the 50"s and 60'. The came here legally to pick fruit and vegtables. When the season ended they went back to Mexico, they did not stay here and leach off of the system. They got none of the benifits like day care free food, free health care that the migrants do today.

Fabs If you don't think the illegals are leaching off the sytem you are welcome to come to West Michigan and spend some time in the summer. Oh no you can come any time of the year because they do not leave any more in the winter they have it to good here all year round. They have planned parent hood. They plan to have their babies in Michigan because they do not have to pay a cent to have there kids.

It used to be that the farmers had familys to come stay in there free housing to pick but now they end up with groups of single young males in units instead of familys. How many of them are legal or illegal I do not know but I lean to alot of thembeing illegal. They are making good money as I watched 6 of them each cash a $400 weeks pay check at the very end of asparagus season. I am sure their checks are alot bigger when the season is in full swing. I know they earn it but what about the benifits that go alond with working here.