Some gun clubs will not allow silhouette targets!

[Adam Helmer]

Mr. 16 gauge,

Points well taken. But, unless a CCW person carries their CCW handgun in hand at all times, they will occasionally NEED to draw a loaded gun from a holster. I am not talking Quick Draw here, rather a conditioned, smooth draw from the holster. If the proper holster is used, the trigger is covered until the handgun clears the holster and NONE of my 100 students per session ever shot of their toes or mine in over 10 years. That is part of the training I impart.

CCW requires people train on drawing from a concealed hoster. If liability is an issue, have the folks sign a Release from Liability while on club grounds. As federal agents, all users of Boston's Moon Island pistol range had to sign waivers before we could shoot our qualification course on Boston's range.

Liability comes in all shapes and sizes. The local sky diving club in NH REQUIRED all divers sign Releases from Liability before they could board the plane. Same for deep sea divers before they could get on the boat at quay side.

I carefully select my CCW students; dufuses are rejected out-of-hand.

Adam

[Mr. 16 gauge]

Mr. 16 gauge,

Points well taken. But, unless a CCW person carries their CCW handgun in hand at all times, they will occasionally NEED to draw a loaded gun from a holster. I am not talking Quick Draw here, rather a conditioned, smooth draw from the holster. If the proper holster is used, the trigger is covered until the handgun clears the holster and NONE of my 100 students per session ever shot of their toes or mine in over 10 years. That is part of the training I impart.

Adam;
Please know that you are preaching to the choir! I don't disagree that those who carry for CCW purposes might someday have to draw from a concealed position; this is why I practice with an unloaded gun in my home. It's also the reason that I go to the state land and practice as I do, when I can.....
However, you can sign all the liability waivers you want....if some idiot (and lets face it, there is a HUGE population of them out there) were to draw and shoot HIS toe off, that's one thing.....if he draws and kills the man in the next stand, that's another. And while it may be HIS fault, you can bet that in our litigious society, it's not the idiot individual that will be sued, but the owner of the establishment where it happened, because HE is the one with the business (money). This is why Winchester and Marlin now have those stupid thumb safeties on their latest lever guns.....people can't be trusted to not point a firearm at someone. One of those stems from a lawsuit here in MI or WI where a kid killed his dad because he shot at "noise"....whirled and fired and killed his old man. Anybody, and I mead ANYBODY, who has taken a hunter's safety course knows you don't shoot at 'noise" (and supposedly this young mad took said course), yet the lawyers argued that if this 'safety' was on the gun, then the 'accident' wouldn't have happened....and the firearms manufacturer (i.e. deep pockets) had to pay for something that wasn't their fault.
IMHO, liability waivers aren't worth the paper they are printed on.....I've seen too many good attorneys find ways around them. If it's banned from the get go, then it's a lot harder to sue the owner of the establishment for "neglect".
Sadly, this is the world we now live in.....................