Results of gun care product evaluation - Page 2

Rancid Crabtree · #16 05-06-2014, 03:54 PM

Everything you need is contained in the text. Its right there waiting for you.

Adam Helmer · #17 05-06-2014, 03:59 PM

Rancid,

IF you cannot summarize your findings, do you really think people will take you seriously? I do not.

Adam

Rancid Crabtree · #18 05-06-2014, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Helmer

Rancid,

IF you cannot summarize your findings, do you really think people will take you seriously? I do not.

Adam

But I have. Its all right there. Im saying in all the time you have expended with questions you could have read and re-read and digested the contents of the text and arrived at the very answers you wish me to deliver even after I have already placed then at your feet, neatly wraped. In all the forums I have placed this data nobody else has asked me to repeat what I have already posted and provided. They were all capable of reading it and arriving at the solution. Never once did I ask you or anybody to take me seriously. That is not requisite in this.

Rancid Crabtree · #19 05-06-2014, 07:44 PM

Ive received a number of messages asking what the 3 top performing products look like when dispensed. I will answer that here.

Frog Lube (in this variety) is a Green and runny product. It needs to be spread around and wiped off gun parts.

WD 40 Specialist is a spray that is thick. It reminds me of a non-stick cooking spray. It needs to be spread around and wiped off (or it could be left on in excess depending on the application)

One shot comes out of the can clear and quickly disappears. By the time I sprayed it on this plate while holding it over the trash can, set it down, started the camera and took the pic it was already dried (Hence the term Dry lube)

Also, there seems to be a misunderstanding that the WD 40 specialist that did well in this evaluation is standard WD 40. It is not. It is a completely different product that your regular WD 40.

Likewise, The Hornady One shot gun cleaner and dry lube is not the Hornady One shot case lube that reloaders use. (at least from a marketing and packaging standpoint. I cant speak to the contents.) The two may be the same and I would have no way of knowing but they have diff names, uses and packaging.

Gil Martin · #20 05-07-2014, 09:45 AM

I am amazed at the level of detail and analysis. Well done. My only reservation is that since RIG gun grease and cosmoline were not included the study appears to be incomplete. Brownells did a similar study of rust inhibiting products and RIG and cosmoline were the best. All the best...
Gil

Jack · #21 05-07-2014, 06:57 PM

Rancid, you've done an amazing amount of work! Thank you.
Very illuminating.

Rancid Crabtree · #22 05-08-2014, 07:30 AM

Upon completion of this evaluation I sent emails to several of the manufacturers of the products used. Thus far (4 days after sending the emails) I have received only one reply and it came from the founders of Frog Lube. Here is that reply.

“Ron,

We are stunned by the exhaustive and comprehensive approach of your testing. And we are quite flattered at the result. You have done something no one else has done.

We do our testing in primarily in operating firearms, but we have done some technical tests such as the corrosion and lubricity testing and have seen the same results.

May we use this link to share with our customers on line and in our facebook page? We have lots of fans (and a few competitors) who would appreciate seeing this.

Also, we very much appreciate your 'objectivity' and your public claims. This strengthens the validity of your results.

Thanks again for sharing this profound work with us.

Larry Lasky & Stacy Lasky
FrogLube Founders “

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I replied to them with the following:

“Feel free to share or distribute the info as you see fit. Prior to this evaluation I had never used Frog Lube (or many of the products I evaluated) so I was curious and ended up doing this evaluation. My search for lube and corrosion solution was not entirely firearms centric as I am more of an archer and bowhunter so I would like to make this request. Archery and Bowhunting are very large markets with direct overlap to firearms owners. The same holds true for the rapidly increasing crossbow and crossbowhunting market. All of these user groups require lubrication and corrosion solutions.

The main difference for the bowhunting and crossbow hunting market is the scent/smell of products we use due to how close bowhunters and perhaps crossbow hunters have to get to prey to make a successful shot. The minty smell of Frog Lube may keep this user group from using your product. Would it be possible to remove the minty scent and create a scent free version? Breaking into the archery/bowhunting and crossbow hunting market would create another demographic purchasing your product. Please consider it. You would certainly have me as a customer for more than just firearms usage.

Ron”

Adam Helmer · #23 05-08-2014, 01:42 PM

Rancid,

Thank you for finally posting in post #19 on this thread, " these are the 3 top performing products." That is ALL most of us wanted to know.

When a person like yourself does a lot a research, it aids your work to be able to convey it in a Synopsis; not everyone has the time to read dozens of pages of test data. Please consider you audience in future research. Many folks merely want the "bottom line" and not an endless "novel" just two pages shorter than "War and Peace." LOL!

When I want to know the time, I do not want to know how to build a clock...

Adam

Rancid Crabtree · #24 05-08-2014, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Helmer

Rancid,

When a person like yourself does a lot a research, it aids your work to be able to convey it in a Synopsis; not everyone has the time to read dozens of pages of test data. Please consider you audience in future research. Many folks merely want the "bottom line" and not an endless "novel" just two pages shorter than "War and Peace." LOL!

When I want to know the time, I do not want to know how to build a clock...

Adam

Actually no, it doesnt aid my work. Not even in the slightest. Im not inclined to coddle to the lazy, entitlement (I want it all and I want it now and I dont want to put forth the effort so I want you to do it for me and then complain when you arent doing fast enough) portion of society that is fast growing. (not just on internet forums). It was very parochial reading. One needed only to have the desire to bring something of themselves to the task. (In this case reading). Finally you took the initiative to actually read the text. I cant tell you how happy I am that you are now satisfied. Really I cant.

Rancid Crabtree · #25 05-08-2014, 08:37 PM

Its been 288 hours (12 days) since Board #1 was placed outside and 264 hours (11 days) for Board #2 so I thought I would update. There has been some rain this week but lots of sun and wind and the trees are spreading all manner of pollen and debris in the air. The Sun’s UV rays have all but made the sharpie marker unreadable but I have a map and can still make it out enough to see.

Here are the two boards where they are residing on the patio.

And here are the close-ups of the samples.

As for Board #3 in my house. Its been 240 hours (10 days) and as expected, the indoor protection in a constant environment has them all still in fine shape.

skeet · #26 05-10-2014, 11:26 AM

Wow

Rancid. The information you posted is very useful. I had never even heard(I don't think) of Frog Lube. Gonna have to hunt that product up. Thanks for all the hard work. And I do understand not watching TV. I only wish the "Gunwriters" could be as objesctive in their evaluations as you have been with this.

Adam Helmer · #27 05-10-2014, 01:51 PM

Rancid,

I must agree you did a lot of research. I also agree with Gil that you did not cover RIG or cosmoline.

I hope in future you will include RIG and cosmoline because many gun owners use that stuff. May I also suggest you better manage you wide universe of Data by putting a one-paragraph Synopsis (Summary) of your Findings at the beginning or the end of your report. It is Patronizing to "Assume" every person will "wade" through your data to FINALLY come to a Finding. IF you cannot come to a conclusion, HOW can anyone take your laborious work seriously? I have done much firearms related research. Every study has a beginning, a middle and an end with a CONCLUSION. Your inability to conclude your Work indicates you got in "Over Your Head" and cannot see "The forest for the trees."

ONCE you have a CONCLUSION, it would be helpful to convey it to your readers. If you cannot communicate your work, May I suggest Report Writing 101? You Obviously can do FIELD Work, BUT can you communicate your findings? I have not seen it to date.

Be well.

Adam

Rancid Crabtree · #28 05-11-2014, 02:33 PM

Actually Adam, of all the forums I posted this evaluation to you are the only person who struggled with reading and comprehension skills except one other person on another for that goes by the name of Webly. Like you he lacked the basic education or even a modest ability to understand the written word. I doubt I could dumb it down enough for you two unless I used only pictures.

Im not inclined to coddle to the lazy, ignorant, entitlement (I want it all and I want it now and I dont want to put forth the effort so I want you to do it for me and then complain when you arent doing fast enough) portion of society that is fast growing. (not just on internet forums). It was very parochial reading. One needed only to have the desire to bring something of themselves to the task. (In this case reading). Finally you took the initiative to actually read the text. I cant tell you how happy I am that you are now satisfied. Really I cant.

In the future, you may wish to employ another person to read the posts to you and then explain the concepts presented. While you still dont understand I should explain to you that my intention WAS NOT to tell you which product to use. It was an evaluation that you could read and then arrive at your own conclusions from the data presented but I fear you dont have the capacity for such a thing. In the future I will continue to present such evaluations in these very simple terms but perhaps should follow up with a very dumbed down version for you and Webly that would read as follow.

1. I bought some gun lube (followed by a picture)

2. I used it. (followed by a picture)

3. Brand X seemed the best (followed by a picture of brand X)

4. You should buy brand X (followed by another picture of brand X)

But I fear that too would be too much reading for you and you would still complain that it was not simple enough to understand. Frankly I blame the public education system. You may wish to seek a refund.

Im not sure how you could take your lack of ability to understand very simple text and somehow turn it into my fault and then pout and carry on as you did with such a tantrum. Ive only seen such behavior in adolescents who want to blame their shortcoming on others and then prattle on and on in such a tedious a manner dripping with vinegar and water akin to something one might use on a Summers Eve.

All the best

Your pal Rancid.

FIJI · #29 05-11-2014, 03:43 PM

this is quickly becoming my favorite thread

THANKS for the research.

Adam Helmer · #30 05-12-2014, 02:36 PM

Rancid,

I believe your name say it all! I think you are truly Rancid. Since you refuse to discuss your alleged scientific research, I will gladly allow you to have the last word, even if the best you can do is make a personal attack on me. My friends here on this site know me and, now they know you.

Adam