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[skeet]

It is refreshing to have people come here to work. Have seen some from Russia and former russian states here. They all wanted to work and learn the language. But that really isn't the problem. We have to get the ones that are "citizens" that don't want to work back into the loop. Work fare...but make those people productive.. And if they choose not to produce..take away their right to vote and extend the bureaucracy. I don't want anyone to lose their rights. I just want them to be responsible for themselves. Choosing NOT to work and making us responsible for them isn't the answer to anything...other than perpetuating that way of life. This isn't a black or white issue either... More than half the people on welfare are other than black ya know. If they aren't able to work...fine. I don't mind my taxes going to help them. But if able and choosing not to..NO I do not want my tax money going to them. Illegals and people with green cards should NOT be able to get any types of welfare or family aid moneys either. They should have to be real citizens. Not just the run across the border to be born kind. They aren't real citizens and just help to bankrupt the systems. I also want to reduce the amount of foreign aid that leaves this country. In some instances we get value for some of it..but in too many cases we only get more grief from those countries. If I hear Yankee go home...well hell..I'll go home and take my money with me. Doesn't make sense?? Harsh again?? I really think it does make sense and don't think it is harsh. I know it sounds simplistic et al but sometimes simple is the way things should be done. Why make everything so much harder. Good grief..If anyone ran for pres on these terms they would be shot out of hand...especially by the democraps...who are nothing other than socialists.

[Larryjk]

skeet, We are on the same wave length. I remember how tough it was when I was first starting out and would go grocery shopping for my wife. I saw people buying better food than I could afford (steaks, etc) and paying with stamps. They were dressed better than I, droved a much newer car than I, and stopped by the liquor store with the change from their grocery purchase. I was pi--ed off, swore I would never stoop that low, and never had to. But I wasn't scared to work. The idea that the folks back in DC want to give all of these types their "rights and entitlements" makes me want to vote every sob out of office. I think we have two entitlements; to be born and to die. Everything in between takes a little blood, sweat, and tears.

[Aim to maim]

Originally posted by skeet
....We have to get the ones that are "citizens" that don't want to work back into the loop. Work fare...but make those people productive.. And if they choose not to produce..take away their right to vote and extend the bureaucracy. I don't want anyone to lose their rights. I just want them to be responsible for themselves. Choosing NOT to work and making us responsible for them isn't the answer to anything...other than perpetuating that way of life. ...

Exactly Skeet. Take a look around at all the able-bodied citizens in their late teens and twenties who are idle (and getting into mischief) at all hours of the day and night. The concept of a "labor shortage crisis" that would erupt if we made it impossible to hire illegal aliens is a myth.

[skeet]

We have to make those who do not want to work..go work. I was going to say back to work...but waaayyy too many never have worked. Too easy to collect welfare and food stamps. And as far as food stamps. Originally it was ONLY for the basics..now they can buy almost anything with them. Don't want the kids to suffer...but originally welfare was only till you could go BACK to work if possible. Ain't that way any more The only way I can see them being coerced to work is make 'em hungry. That really doesn't seem right but I cannot see any other way....well I can but those other ideas may seem a bit harsh. Oh and one other thing..Make fathers responsible for their children. We can find out who the fathers are...we already know the mothers. These are common sense ideas. Not harsh...just smart

[fabsroman]

I read something pretty interesting the other day. The largest entitlement program is social security, followed closely by Medicare. Welfare is much lower in the tax dollar amount spent each year.

[skeet]

But don't forget..Social Security recipients had to have paid into the system(or someone did) as well as Medicare. Welfare is totally different

[fabsroman]

Welfare isn't completely different unless the person has never worked a day in their life. If they have worked and paid taxes, they have paid into welfare, plain and simple. There just isn't the equivalent of a social security or medicare line on their pay check for welfare.

Now, if somebody hasn't worked a day in their life, then they are living off of you and I.

Another issue I have is with how poorly the federal government runs both social security and medicare. It is utterly nuts. I would rather keep my social security contribution and invest it myself, rather then let them handle it for me. What they started a long time ago that was something good, has turned into a disaster.

[DON WALKUP]

does anyone remember the movie "red dawn" starring patrick swayze? the commies invaded the u.s. via airborne and a ground borne invasion up from mexico.

sorry...that'll never happen.

IF anything of that nature were to occur, it would be from covert infiltration by way of mexico & canada and then assemlbing an army/force somewhere within CONUS. not a very likley scenerio.

we'll fall from within...we'll crumble from our own big time mistakes. we're in the process of it now. history is repetative. that's been proven time and time again. rome is the classic example but there are many, many more if a person cares to look into history.

for example, look at the lack of response from congress to actually seal the borders...the lack of action from congress to open our own energy sources to name two examples.

i watched nancy pelosi/congress yesterday on c-span and i am truly astonished at how much of a time lag there is for reaction involving ANY issue; just about the time the bear is getting ready to eat us, they say they'd better do something...

[fabsroman]

Agreed.