Law Enforcement allowed to carry

Nulle · #1 07-29-2004, 10:05 PM

I see Pres. Bush just signed some neat stuff that allows Law Enforcement and Re-Tired Law Enforcement to carry in any State they go through without the red-tape.
Thanks

VinVega · #2 07-29-2004, 10:20 PM

Now let's see this get done with the normal everyday guy who also deserves to protect himself just the same.

Rocky_Raccoon · #3 07-30-2004, 09:23 AM

What About Military Men, They Are better Trained and better diciplined with a weapon than any law enforcement

Adam Helmer · #4 07-30-2004, 03:08 PM

Rocky_Raccoon,

Are you referring to Military Policemen? I wonder if they are better trained than "any law enforcement";I would need to see the footnote on that statement. The average recruit does not handle a handgun in basic these days. Last May my neighbor and his Marine son home on leave after basic hunted turkeys on my farm. When they came out of the woods at noon, I chatted with the young Marine. He did not handle a handgun at Paris Island, he said only the MPs get to use handguns. I spent the afternoon checking him out on a .357 revolver and a Colt M1911A1 because he never shot a handgun before and was going to Iraq. I never shot a handgun in basic or any of the four years I was in the military.

Adam

Tater · #5 07-30-2004, 07:08 PM

Not all military get all that much firearms/use of force training. Some of us only get training every 2.5 years. Granted, my job doesn't require it as much as a cop, but I'd prefer it if the Air Force adopted the Marines Corps' tradition of "rifleman first". And I've seen a lot of idiots I wouldn't want to be stuck in a foxhole with. I wouldn't mind having the option to carry, though, as long as there was some sort of training to go with it.

8X56MS · #6 08-01-2004, 11:19 AM

I am pretty leary about cops carrying guns. They seem to have a lot of AD, and ND. I don't think that being a cop makes them any more capable handling firearms, than I am. Cops always had the option of getting a CCW like the rest of the Citizens. I do NOT think that cops are special, or deserve any more special treatment than they already get.

Purebred Redneck · #7 08-17-2004, 01:38 PM

I was bored today and was just looking but I had to sign in for this one

Of course law enforcement officers should get this special treatment. Why? They get paid to piss people off.
What if you had to look behind your back everytime you go somewhere wondering if someone you arrested is there in the same place too?
What if you live right on a state border and you cross state lines for a night on the town on a friday?

My dad had a cousin or uncle or something who was a judge. He tried to carry his gun on a airplane a long time ago. They wouldn't let him.

So I think LEOs and judges perhaps attorneys should be given additional treatment because the risk of being TRAGETED is so much higher.

Military? I highly doubt an pro-Saddam iraqi soldier is going board a airplane and target private John Doe for killing his brother.

It's not about firearms experience - it's about the additional risk of being targeted.

Just a final note - I'm going into the police acadamy soon and will be a LEO. Do I think there is a chance I will meet up with someone I have a history with 5 years from now somewhere? Yeh.

Skinny Shooter · #8 08-17-2004, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by VinVega
Now let's see this get done with the normal everyday guy who also deserves to protect himself just the same.

Mega Dittos!!!!!!!!

So the next time I go to Illinois I won't have to worry about becoming a criminal.
The way that State treats it's citizens looks like something I stepped in and is beginning to smell...

Vin, just wait, if merry kerry gets in office, we may see the UN attempting to get it's hooks into us. He's no friend of the gunowner.

VinVega · #9 08-17-2004, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by Skinny Shooter
Vin, just wait, if merry kerry gets in office, we may see the UN attempting to get it's hooks into us. He's no friend of the gunowner.

Nor am I a friend of his. If asked to use my gun to protect him, I'd probably say no. If he don't like the idea of me protecting myself with a gun, I don't like the idea of protecting him period.

mazter · #10 08-17-2004, 05:40 PM

LEO's should have to get the same CCW as we citizens have to. Too many of them have a GOD complex & I would rather them be in Uniform with a Gun, If not then they need to get the CCW just like us.

Now the Military is Differant, My Boy is just getting done with Basic & AIT at Fort Lenoardwood , MO, He is a Asst. Platoon Guide, & was a Squad leader before that. He will be comming home in Sept. & I know for a fact what he got trained for, and what he will get trained for when he goes to Kansas for the first 2 year's of his 4 year service. He is Qualified Expert on Handgun & rifle, Plus Grenade's. Not Just your standard training either, He is an MP/ Corrections Officer & is also going thru Ranger Training & Flight Combat/ Jump School Along with all the Newest Training for Chemical & Biohazard threats.

So I do believe People that have the Training like he is getting and are in the Military, Should be allowed to carry at all time's anywhere. They are the ones Protecting our Country, So I would trust People like him More.

Not just anyone in the Military, But the ones who get intense training for it. They have been trained better than any LEO for Terrorism, Homeland Security & Defense.

BTW: Can you tell How proud I am of him ?

Steve in PA · #11 08-20-2004, 01:34 AM

So people that have to undergo physicals, psychological testings, yearly if not quarterly qualifications, yearly updates and training on the use of force, etc.......isn't enough training?

BTW, military firearms training is very basic. Yes, I've been there and done that (Marine Corps and PA Army Nat'l Guard).

VinVega · #12 08-20-2004, 01:55 AM

Now I've got nothing against military men myself, I have as much respect for them as the next guy does. But, I will say myself that just as many of the military guys I know have God complexes as the cops do. I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons concealed, but by God if they can, cops had better be able to. I realize that most soldiers put their necks on the line for some time of their lives to protect the country, but is it not obvious that police officers put their lives on the line every single day for 20+ years?
Honestly I don't think military or police should have any upper hand on carrying weapons. We as Americans should all be able to. I don't see a thing wrong with requiring licensing and training, but it still should be something you get to do everyhwere. Now I've said it tons of times before, I'd love to be a police officer, and am hoping to get to fulfill that dream one day. But, I am still believing that while police are there to protect you, they can't be all the time. People should be able to protect themselves, be they cop, military, firefighter, EMT, anything!

Varmint Hunter · #13 08-20-2004, 08:51 AM

I've never seen quite so much anti-police sentiment anywhere.

Obviousy, the House, Senate & the President don't agree with you guys, and keep in mind that many of your representatives that voted for this bill are left-wing democrats who are traditionally anti-gun. This was a well thought out, common sense piece of legislature.

Very FEW civilians have a lifetime of continual training & firearms qualifing nor is their conduct monitored with the scrutiny that has befallen Police Officers. Based on a Police Officers training and career experience he is expected to know when, where and how to use deadly physical force to maximize the public safety in a hostile situation. Do you have such training and experience???? If you can't see the difference between the Police and an armed resident then its because you don't want to.

Locally, many forms of mass transit allow Police Officers to ride for free. However, they must be prepared to act in their capacity as a LEO when **** hits the fan. Is every handgun owning resident ready, willing and capable of interceeding in a confrontation brought on by some crazed idiot. No they are not, nor are they expected to be. This agreement was not designed to benefit the Police but to enhance the public safety aboard a bus, train or other means of transit.

There is a difference.

As a clarifier: The new law does not apply to any and every LEO, there are specific parameters and annual requirements. The bill also does not allow qualified LEO's to carry "anywhere" in the US.

VH

popplecop · #14 08-20-2004, 03:39 PM

If you don't like Law Enforcement the next time the crap hits the fan call a Liberal.

VinVega · #15 08-20-2004, 04:37 PM

Oh I'm not anti-police at all. I'd be completely content with allowing police officers more right to carry weapons, even without CCW. They've been through enough training to deserve that (full-time police officers, at least). But, I was just saying we need a nation-wide CCW instead of state-by-state. It makes things much more simpler if it's uniform everywhere.