Hey Roy

[petey]

Sorry bud,

But I had to hang the .338 up. Got me one of those Sweet 7's last weekend. Rem 700 LSS in a 7 RUM. Too good of a deal and I couldn't pass it up.

I shot my first group right at 1/2" with 162 grain A-Max and 92 grains of Retumbo. Not too shabby for the first one. I'll be working up some other loads and breaking in the barrel this weekend. Have to say I'm pretty impressed with the Rem 700 xSS's. That 300 RUM was the same way. Only took 3 loads to get 3 bullets touching.

Ask Ol_spark how his 7 RUM is shooting

[petey]

So used to seeing those 30 and 338 cal holes when I shot this first group I thought it was over and inch but it ended up being 1/2"

Anyway, the Win Mags are on the shelf and replaced by the RUMs

[ol_spark]

Roy.. though I'd save you the time in asking.
If you remember that Sendaro in 7mm Rem Mag that would shoot one hole frequently at 100yds but was no go at 750, well it is now a 7 RUM in a bedded stock with a 4# trigger. I hate those things but I just can't get anymore adjustment out of it. $225 for a jewell. Anyhow it needs to prove itself in the accuracy department before I go for another trigger. Petey's just all tearey eyed because his new factory LSS shot a 1/2'' group with the first load he tried. I had the same load in mine as well as a number of others and I'm telling you very few of those 162 A maxs made it to the 100yd target. The ones that did were sideways mostly. Amaxs are pretty thin skinned and because I wanted to use this as a repeater I seated them to magazine length to start. Not a good choice. They would not stablize in my gun unless I run them into the lands. I suppose I could make a single shot out of it but I opted to try some other bullets. I got away from the boat tails and went to some flat based Speer 160's and they appear to be doing better. At least they get to the 100 yd mark in one piece with a nice round hole. I've pretty much given up on Retumbo in this gun. Just for kicks put 109 grains of wc 872 with a 140 Nosler Bal tip( started at 106) and Voila'. Groups became 3/4 ". My gun is not a 9.5 twist as Petey's is so I may be stuck shooting the 140's. My next stop is to get some 50BMG and try the 168 SMK's. I think the little fuller case capacity with a little slower powder may be what this gun is telling me it needs. I'm thinking I only need to get to 800 yds and this gun will certainly be enough for Pa whitetails. I'd prefer to shoot the 168 over the 140's but time will tell.

Petey...
Don't get too uppity. You got one of them skinny barreled Rems that the bolt brake off and are worthless. No gun shoots 1/2'' out of the box. You must get a Sako to have that guarantee. Hard to beat that. Wow you didn't even get a guarantee. But I'll bet you did get one of them "lawyer triggers". Someday warm weather will be here and we'll see you gets the ghogs at LR.

[Evan03]

its got an adjustable trigger.

might not be up to your guys standerds but it will adjust to a crisp 2.5lbs

[royinidaho]

Well!

Win's on the wall..huh! RUMs on the shootin' bench, duh!

Just funnin'

A 7 shootin' like a .17. It otta hurt when they get hit with that sideways bullet.......

Here's my experience with a 7 RUM. Sighted one in for a guy. New 700 BDL with a new box of shells. There were 6 shots left when I got it.

Took 3 shots to get it zero'd. Chrono'd the next 3 and shot for group. They were 140 gr factory loads.

The 3 shots averaged 3540 FPS and went into 0.6" I was impressed. Tried to buy the rifle but that did't work out.

Bought a Super Sniper scope a while back. Put it on an old REM 721 06. The rifle I shot my first white tail buck with back in '59. Dad had restocked it from a walnut tree from the back yard.

Couldn't get it shooting for the last year, since I've owned it. 3" is as small as I could get groups, with 3 different stocks and several different bedding methods and all kinds of powder and bullets.

Finally, this morning I figured that I'd move that SS scope to the 270 and shoot a group to see if the scope was junk. (The reason I bought that scope was on the recommendation of some dude called Bigbrother who along with another fella shot a couple of caribou at some outrageous distance - man ya can't trust anyone any more
)

All I can say is "it ain't the scope". Here's a pic of the group. 3@100 pretty much typical for the 270.

The ol' 06 is gonna get a 26" Lilja 3-groove bbl and become a 6.5-06 to shoot the 120 gr bullets.

Spark, ya givin' up on ol' Tommy yet?

[ol_spark]

EvanO3
I meant to say that my trigger has been adjusted and that the least amount of pull weight that I can get before the screw falls out of the hole is amount 4 lbs. I didn't mean to say it was not adjustable. Typically Rem triggers are adjustable to my standards but this one is not. Sorry for the confusion.

Roy..
Tommy is an fickle character to say the least. Most guys that play with #1's know that and a few have asked me how I got that gun to be such a tack driver. I never really answered that question and have been through the scenarios that most guys have been through in trying to accurize a #1. Trigger, free floated the forearm, played with a tensioning device, shimmed the forearm. Yes, it's the same gun that you can break clay pigeons with at 500 yards while fire forming cases, or the one that'll shoot almost an inch at a little over 400 yards, also capable of taking ghogs at 885yds. Today it'll do that and tomorrow it'll let me down. To date it has embarrassed me twice, BIG TIME EMBARRASSMENT. Since Sierra quit making the 240SMK's and I had this Sendaro sitting there. ( I've shot 7's for 34 years with excellent results) I thought I could turn it into a top gun pretty quick. So I re chambered it to a 7 RUM . Well, it won't shoot 162 A max's period. Maybe 168 SMK's but only time will tell. It'll shoot the 140 Nosler Bal Tips into 3/4" pretty easy. The trigger sucks at about 3 3/4lb and I don't know at this point if I want to spend $225 on a trigger if the gun will only handle 140's. Not that there is anything wrong with 140's traveling at 33 or 3400. That's another situation. I couldn't get my chrony to work. Tried 2 new batteries and after 3 outing still couldn't get any readings so I have know idea where I am velocity wise. Now it is time to quit playing and lay some hardwood floor for the little lady, so who knows what this summer and ghog season will bring. In one way, I would like to get Tommy to shoot the 190 SMK's with a different powder just to satisfy my own curiosity about if the 300 Tomahawk is a consistant shooter or is it the gun?? I know a lot of guys have spent a lot of money trying to get #1's to shoot. Some suceed, some don't. Maybe the Sendaro will become a 300 Tomahwk, I have a Stainless factory 300 RUM that has already out performed the #1. Go figure. So I know the 300 RUM is consistant. My wife calls the #1 "TINKER", because that is all I seem to be doing with it. At least she gets a laugh out of it so it has at least provided one of us with some enjoyment.

WOW, that was a long winded statement.

By the way, the caribou I shot with my factory 7MM Rem Mag at 476 lasered yds was shooting 175 Hornady flat base bullets travelling around 2800fps topped by a "Zeiss" mildot reticle scope. I click for ghogs/varmints but shoot dots for big game mostly. That way I can argue both sides of the situation.

[bigbrother]

You guys kill me! How about I take out the 6.5 this weekend and show you what you need.....again. Roy, on the 6.5-06, I'd skip the 120's and run the 140's out of it. You should be able to get 3150 or so with the 140's and at 700yds it will be flatter than the 120's. There's definately plenty of power for deer (and probably elk but I haven't tested my theory yet) that far away. If you have the supersniper, you'll be good for elevation to about 1200 yds without having a tapered base. I'm running them at 2940 out of my 28" barrel and accuracy is unbelievable-3/4" at 300yds and one day for fun, I shot 3 push pins in a row off of sand bags at 100yds.

You guys keep playing...maybe I'll break down and build something else, but for right now, the 6.5x284 is still king of the "rock". (although I've gotta admit the impact of a 240smk out of the tommy at 550yds on a deer is impressive )

[ol_spark]

Hey bigbrother..watch it.

I'd never argue that your 6.5 is not a shooter. That's why all them BR guys use it. But what gets me is all these guys that get a new barrel/gun and the first 3 shots out of it is printing 1/2" groups. Heck some of them guys shoot .2 and .3 ,come on now. I ain't calling Petey a liar. Heck, I loaded them shells and witnessed the shots. Doesn't anyone out there have to work up a load for a gun? Am I the only one that gets a custom barrel/hybrid gun and has to go about the same activity for a month to make it shoot as well as I do with a factory gun? Where's the justise in that.

By the way bigbrother, why did you use such a large target at only a 100yds? Push pins, huh, no wonder them Rem factory guns can shoot flys off the target.

[bigbrother]

Truth be known, I couldn't see anything smaller through the supersniper. The cross hairs are a little on the thick side for shooting flys but, John could hit a ghog with it at 745 and he has to slow down on the interstate to read the signs his eye sight is so bad

[ol_spark]

So now you're tellin' me the guy that's got the coveted Golden Groundhog Award is blind. What's that 6.5 got a heat seeking Super Sniper on it?

I guess I just have ethe wrong equipment

The 25's are alive and well

[royinidaho]

bigbrother is doin'' all that braggin' whilst (as they say in the U.K) shootin' in that heavy PA atmosphere. No wind no mirage and a calibur as big as the head on those stick pins.

I'm disappointed about the fickleness of the tommy. I've been there and done that. I've gone through several of them. Never lost game. Made some really bad shots though. From the bench being reall cautious I could keep consistent. Offhand hunting they strung up and down, mostly up. Shot a couple of deer in the back strap. Bummed me out.

RE: the stick pin thing. Was shooting a BR match back in the 70s. Was shooting a 40X 222. So was my shootin buddy. We were building a couple of good groups @ 100. We were the last to shooting, using all the time and really working it. Ken shot his shot, I knew he did well from the sound of the crowd. I was on, and you know when you are on. A fly lands on my target. I shot. The crowed moaned. Group was about inch and a quarter.

The targets came in to the judges. Ken's went in the 3s. They asked what happened to me. I asked what was the color around the hole. They looked again and said "red". I just grinned.

Would always rather shot meat than paper.

Besides the 6.5-06 or 6.5-284 if the smith says the ol' 721 can be made to feed ok. The smith has been shooting elk with the 6.5-06 for 30 years and has probably shot nearly 30. He swears by the 120 gr bullet but doesn't go beyond the 500 yd mark then only if he has to. Last one was 420.

The 6.5 will be my son's gun. He's a wuss on the recoil side.

Also going to have a 338-300RUM put together by another fella. Long bbl, break, and all that stuff. Gonna reach out and touch......

PS: Look at that muley on the muley page. Think its the nicest one I've seen.

[bigbrother]

Actually, that's the gun you need for stuff over 1200yds. Those 300g SMK's look pretty awesome sitting in a big case. How long of barrel are you looking at? 32" plus a brake and put it in a gun weighing about 25lbs I think would be the ticket for elk at a mile. just need a mule and a cart to get it to the top of the mountain

[ol_spark]

Roy..
I found a guy that has some 240SMK so Tommy is still getting "Tinkered". Next move with the 7 RUM is 120's and 175's using H1000. Maybe it is the powder because as a 7 mag shooting 72.5 gr of H1000 the Sendaro shot nice cloverleafs if not one hole with the 162 Amax's. Some people just don't know when to quit. Duh

You remind me of a BR shooter I met this year in Silverthorne. Whimsical sort of chap, chuck full of stories if you know what I mean.

RE muledeer: it that your face you blocked out or one of the Eastman's. Awesome deer. I'd have a heart attack if I saw anything like that.

[royinidaho]

Nah, not my face. I'da choked and missed the shot. Have done it before. Missed a huge 4X4 11 times from about 150 to outtasight cause I had the scope on 3X and tho't it was on 9X. By the time I figured that out he was runnin' over the horizon and I was still shootin'

RE the stories. Hell, I got some I'd like to tell cause I'd like to know how they end

Once the trade is made I'll probably leave the #1 a 375. I'll work up a load with 270 or 300 grn bullets then load a 100 of 'em and they'll last a life time.

bigbrother: Gota keep the weight of the 338-300 to less than 15 pounds, loaded with scope and bipod if I choose to use one. That's the legal limit in Idaho for big game hunting. (Regulation is made to keep the BMG shooters off the mountain). Don't want to get into a pissin' contest with a fish cop, they can be pretty pricky at times. Out here they are starting to wear ear rings and hug the trees.

We figure if we shorten the bbl to 28" not counting the break and use the heavy contour then do the spiral flutes velocity won't suffer, and stiffness will be there.

Thinking seriously of a weaver tactical scope with the mil dot in whatever plane it is that keeps it calibrated regardless of the power.

Then I'll do pretty much the same as spark. Click the rocks and bottles, chucks and stuff, then mil dot the big game.

[ol_spark]

Sounds like a plan.