|
|
#1
03-03-2005, 02:37 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
White Moose
TO PROTECT THEM, OR NOT TO PROTECT THEM... That ... is the question....
Hey all.... wandering what kind of response other hunters would get from pic's like these. I'm doing some reasearch on white moose, and thought that this would be a good place to find some info. I'm trying to get an accurate count of how many white moose are currently alive, and where they're at. So if anyone has some info, it would be greatly appreciated to forward it on to me... The numbers are to answer some government questions in regards to a possible live capture...      Those are all wild moose about 20 miles from my home. They're not albino. Joel@WhiteMoose.Ca 
|
|
#2
03-03-2005, 10:49 AM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Don't have any information on white moose other than what you posted here. In fact, I never knew such an animal existed unless it was an albino.
Whether to protect them or not depends on how many of them there are. Since I have never heard of one, I would assume that they aren't too abundant and that they should be protected.
__________________
The pond, waterfowl, and yellow labs...it don't get any better.
|
|
#7
03-03-2005, 03:40 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Traci,
An abomination of nature is something that is man made. If nature created a white moose, I am sure it had a reason to do so. Same goes for white deer. Evolution is the result of mutation. If we take your theory a step further, white people are an abomination of nature because it is rumored that human life started in Africa.
__________________
The pond, waterfowl, and yellow labs...it don't get any better.
|
|
#8
03-03-2005, 05:27 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
White people ain't an abonination! White people with mohawks are!
 IF they are manmade they should not be protected but should be wiped out. If not again it depends on numbers. We don't have laws to protect black squirrel, white pole cats (skunks fer those who ain't from the south and no I don't just mean albinos) nor poke salid (an around the south poke salid is a danged endagered species  )Personally I don't have any more or less need to hunt an animal because of the color of its pelt. When I pull the hide off that meat is all the same color, and its the meat I am eatin'. Not the hair, hide, nor horns. My 2 cents. Purty critters btw. GoodOlBoy
__________________
(Moderator - Gear & Gadgets, Cowboy Action, SouthWest Regional, Small Game) GoodOlBoy@huntchat.com For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16 KJV Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. - Ecclesiastes 8:15 KJV "The gun has been called the great equalizer, meaning that a small person with a gun is equal to a large person, but it is a great equalizer in another way, too. It insures that the people are the equal of their government whenever that government forgets that it is servant and not master of the governed." - 40th President of the United States Ronald Reagan 1911-2004
|
|
#9
03-03-2005, 11:48 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
The other posted pic's...
Those pic's you've got posted... were taken about 20 miles from my house in N. Ontario in 2000 by Mark Clemente.
"Here's a white mooose seen on Highway 8 in northeastern New Brunswick on June 3, 2003." Very interesting how they get around.... See the following link for an MNR write up about those moose pictures. Page 1 : http://whitemoose.ca/pics/moosecall-article1.jpg Page 2: http://whitemoose.ca/pics/moosecall-article2.jpg And those other pictures that have been floating around that put on the hunting ban in Idaho... they were from N.Ontario as well.... I'll get documentation this summer when I get home. Joel
|
|
#10
03-03-2005, 11:54 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
White moose are common where my brother lived in central BC. He lived in Faser Lake. He even got a photo of a piebald moose that looked like a pinto pony. Like you said, most white are not albino, they are piebald. I have a poor copy of the pic.
Like the old joke goes, one of his neighbors almost ran into three white moose in a snowstorm. (No kidding) My brother had a calf permit one year and he had to wait for a pure white immature bull to get out of the way before he could shoot the calf. The bull was legal, but he took the calf instead. The hunting regs make note of the white moose in the area, and request they be left alone, but it is legal to shoot them. When my dad was a kid he lived near Wetaskawin Alberta. An indian hunter got a white moose and when he tried to sell the hide to the fur guy he was offered only $10 because of the small bullet hole in the neck. The indian had his wife make the whole thing into moccassins. Where abouts are you at Joel? AS to the idiotic abomination remark by TSadler, it has been a while since I have seen such a rediculous remark posted here. Fabs - you could not have come up with a more appropriate response than you did. Good for you. I wonder if it is lost on Traci...
__________________
Blktail If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
|
|
#11
03-04-2005, 02:46 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Hi All,
White phases appear in many Deer species so I can't see why Moose would be any different. We get white Fallow Deer here, however the estates normally cull them out. The reason is that they attract poachers, as they stand out in the dark they are easy to spot and once you find the white one............ well you have found the rest  Hey Fabs who started the roumour that us white folks started in Africa? if it's true then perhaps we should evict the Blacks from there like they have been doing the white folks over there  now THAT would be a turn up for the Books 
__________________
"Don't let the bastards grind you down"
|
|
#12
03-04-2005, 09:32 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
N. Ontario
I'm living in N. Ontario (but in school right now in Ottawa). This herd is about 120 miles to the N.E. of Sault Sainte Marie .
"White phases appear in many Deer species so I can't see why Moose would be any different." - This is a very interesting observation that I may not be able to answer to your liking. From what I understand, white deer in the states are much more frequent because they typically result from inbreeding.... brought on by huge open farmlands in between small plots of woods... Not so with the white moose, and so they're much more rare.. Also, i've seen lots of white deer with white fawns, but I've only been able to identify 1 strain of white moose (the ones in my area) that have white calves ... No idea . Any white moose in BC having white calves? Blktail, I'm very interested to recieve any documentation you could possibly find me regarding the white moose of BC. Such as how many are there left (that you know of) and how many were there. I'm also very surprised to hear that a native shot a white moose... given that they're sacred to the tribes in N. Ontario. Joel
|
|
#13
03-04-2005, 10:02 AM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but perhaps the word Tracey meant was "an aberration of nature."
Which a white moose certainly is.
__________________
Freedom of the Press Does NOT mean the right to lie! Visit me at my Reloading Room webpage! Get signed copies of my Vietnam novels at "Baggy Zero Four" "Mike Five Eight"
|
|
#14
03-04-2005, 10:23 AM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Okay,
Let me just clear up a couple of things. I have the utmost respect for Traci and have had several discussions with her on this board, but I just happen to disagree with her on this issue. It is kind of like saying that we should let nature take its course and just say good bye to those species that become extinct without trying to help them. It is a tough call. Regarding my analogy to whites being abominations, I did not and do not intend to start any race bashing on this thread. I just thought that it was an appropriate analogy in this case.
__________________
The pond, waterfowl, and yellow labs...it don't get any better.
|
|
#15
03-04-2005, 10:46 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Moose Mortality...
"It is kind of like saying that we should let nature take its course and just say good bye to those species that become extinct without trying to help them."
- Where we're at, its not nature taking its course, its human factors leading to their demise.... They're in a shitty location in that they keep getting hit by the train, and the highway... Also, because of their location, the hunters keep getting them. I've debated the 'natural selection' arguement, but came to the conclusion in other forums that the theory works well in the plains of Africa, but not so well where a mountain lion can jump onto the back of a full grown and healthy moose. Its just bad luck for the moose, not natural selection. I'm pushing my govt. for protection measures from hunting and also a live capture and relocation into a large, fenced in and forested park. I'm looking at a plot about a square kilometer for every 4 moose. I just really don't want to loose this strain, as its been unbroken for over 40 years.... and i've yet to find another strain that can continually have white offspring. Furthermore, the grey guard hairs that show up may indicated an Evolutionary trend. Is it really that far fetched to have a moose which is white in the winter, and dark in the summer (like a snow shoe rabbit). Thoughts... Joel
|
 |
|
|
Linear Mode
