303 british

bushwacker · #1 03-12-2006, 04:35 PM

I am looking for 303 british enfield rifle, manufactured by Santa Fe Arms. If any one knows where I might find one or has one for sale, please let me know. Thanks

hnter · #2 03-12-2006, 11:43 PM

You talking about a SF sporter?
I didn't know they made one.

gumpokc · #3 03-13-2006, 12:46 AM

this page should give you some info to work with.

http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~stra...taFeRifles.htm

BTW part of the reason you may be having more than a little trouble finding them, is because there is no such thing as a "santa fe arms"...it was Golden state arms, which became federal ordinance, which became Brinkle Trading Co.

The "santa fe's" were the "model" name for their enfields after they had done their work with them.

hnter · #4 03-14-2006, 02:53 PM

NO, I knew what you were talkin about.
I was an FFL a long time ago, did business with them. I just do not remember .303 SMLE sporter. I attend lots of gunshows and haven't seen a SF sporter in years.
Hnter

gumpokc · #5 03-14-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by hnter
NO, I knew what you were talkin about.
I was an FFL a long time ago, did business with them. I just do not remember .303 SMLE sporter. I attend lots of gunshows and haven't seen a SF sporter in years.
Hnter

I was replying to bushwacker, not to you hnter.

hnter · #6 03-16-2006, 11:52 AM

Really good research on the Golden State guns. Really awesome. I learned a bit.

I must say, "I stand corrected". A few months ago I saw a #3 mk1 "Jungle Carbine" at a show in Gillette WY. I told the seller it was a fake and showed him why. He was a 22 yr old C&R dealer and a self professed "expert" in military firearms. He vouched for it's "authenticity" because of his "expertice" in the military firearms field. After asking a few questions about military firearms, their uses and history I conclude my 1st impression of him being an idiot was correct. He didn't know Sgt A. York used a P-17 Enfield 30 Govt to kill/capture all those Germans in WW1, not an 03 Spfld.

I had an Eddystone P-14 sporter in .303 Brit with the ears still on, which I'd bought off a kid after he walked in, the C&R dude couldn't ID it !!! The problem with idiots like that is they tend to convince other dunces with their BS. Yes I know it's possible a Brit armorer in the rear could have done the conversion, but it's highly unlikly and even if so, it's a curio not authentic and unverifiable.
Hnter

bushwacker · #7 03-17-2006, 10:21 PM

Thanks for all the replies, and correction on the manufacture. Actually,Sante Fe was all I could remember about the gun. My dad had bought one from Sears, in New Mexico. This was about 1961, he paid $35.00 for it. I believe I have found one, I'll know in about 2 weeks.

gumpokc · #8 03-17-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by bushwacker
Thanks for all the replies, and correction on the manufacture. Actually,Sante Fe was all I could remember about the gun. My dad had bought one from Sears, in New Mexico. This was about 1961, he paid $35.00 for it. I believe I have found one, I'll know in about 2 weeks.

Welcome, and please, let us know how you do on it.

bushwacker · #9 04-08-2006, 10:09 PM

Just thought I would let y'all know that I did find two Sante Fe's at GunBroker.com. One is exactly the one I was looking for, with a cut down military stock,New barrell with ramp front site and flip up rear site. The other one is a Mountaineer, it is in great condition and came with the original box. Thanks.

deadkelly · #10 05-30-2006, 06:23 AM

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Originally posted by hnter
Really good research on the Golden State guns. Really awesome. I learned a bit.

I must say, "I stand corrected". A few months ago I saw a #3 mk1 "Jungle Carbine" at a show in Gillette WY. I told the seller it was a fake and showed him why. He was a 22 yr old C&R dealer and a self professed "expert" in military firearms. He vouched for it's "authenticity" because of his "expertice" in the military firearms field. After asking a few questions about military firearms, their uses and history I conclude my 1st impression of him being an idiot was correct. He didn't know Sgt A. York used a P-17 Enfield 30 Govt to kill/capture all those Germans in WW1, not an 03 Spfld.

I had an Eddystone P-14 sporter in .303 Brit with the ears still on, which I'd bought off a kid after he walked in, the C&R dude couldn't ID it !!! The problem with idiots like that is they tend to convince other dunces with their BS. Yes I know it's possible a Brit armorer in the rear could have done the conversion, but it's highly unlikly and even if so, it's a curio not authentic and unverifiable.
Hnter

correct me if iam wrong but i thought the jungle carbine was a no 5 ,that is a no 4 reworked and not a
no 3 #1 ,no 4's are much stronger diferant bolt, numbered bolt heads for easy head space mods and rebarreling still a rear locking action though. basicly a whole new rifle. over here in stralia a company called aia in brisbane is making a mk 10 in 308 win & 7.62x39 in a carbine & rifle ,lee enfields are much loved over here our snipers only stopped using them in the 1980's from 1888 the lee metfords to the no3#1 that were used in ww1,ww2 & korea i think pakistan & india still use em. k see ya that my 2 bobs worth.

hnter · #11 05-30-2006, 01:40 PM

Yes, it's mil designation is Mk 5 and if memory serves it is basically a reworked #1 mk4 .

BTW, There's an outfit here in the states doing a 45/70 SMLE

deadkelly · #12 05-31-2006, 03:06 AM

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Originally posted by hnter
Yes, it's mil designation is Mk 5 and if memory serves it is basically a reworked #1 mk4 .

BTW, There's an outfit here in the states doing a 45/70 SMLE

your on the money about the 4570 mate,ive been daydreaming all day about 4570 in a smle,or making my own cartridge based on 303 -30 30, 444 marlin ,when iam finished on here iam going down stairs for some more dreaming lol.do you know whos doing the 45 70 smle combo, ? mmmmm thanks see ya

hnter · #13 06-06-2006, 04:33 PM

Gibbs Rifle CO.
211 Lawn ST
Martinsberg, W VA. 25401
304-262-1651

Hunter