WTS 1891 Argentine Mauser

[dannypratt]

Hi all,

Wanting to sell 1891 Argentine Mauser 7.65x54, Loewe Berlin manufacture, 4 digit serial #. NRA Fine condition, bright bore, metal in 98% all original, wood 98% all original. All parts matching serial numbers. Extremely accurate rifle. Crest has been removed.

Asking 450.00 to your FFL. Pics on request.

Thanks guys,
-dannypratt

[hnter]

With the crest removed this rifle it cannot grade NRA "fine". The NRA "fine" classification doesn't allow for that. It is altered.
My Guntraders guide say's it's worth $350-400 in 100% cond. My guntraders guide only goes as low as 60%.

At best, I'd grade it at 50% because of the crests removal. It's worth at best $100.00 or OBO.

Sorry, Not bustin yer chops but.......... Thats the luck of the draw.


Hnter

[dannypratt]

hello there hnter,

I don't mean to be rude, but I do not price by the Guntraders Guide, I have one myself and may I remind you it lists Belgium Light 20 ga. A-5 Brownings at no more than 925.00 in perfect condition when you and I both know they sell for over 1500.00 in less than that shape.

I base my price off the Bluebook of Gun Values, 2006 edition, a respected firearms authority. I do not feel my post misleading or my price high. Do not comment on a gun you haven't seen. The practical reality is nearly all of the 1891 Argentine Mausers (and other Mausers) have had thier crests removed, it is a simple fact of importation and foreign policies some countries have and have had in the past.

I would not have been offended had you sent a PM with this information, but I am highly irritated by your reply. This is an honest sale, I have sold many guns over the years in a fair and practical manner. Please keep your comments to yourself or post them privately.

Being new to this forum I am sorely dissapointed.

-dannypratt

[dryridge]

Danny,

I have an Argentine in Exc shape as well. I too priced mine by the Blue Book. I didn't see it in the gun traders guide, 2006.
You are correct on the price by the Blue Book guide. It says it is worth $750 less 30% for no crest.

Thing is, unless one was smuggled prior to WW1 there will be no crest. They were all ground off. Supposedly all but very few were accounted for an ground off.

I was very intrigued by this gun because it's amazing accuracy and workmanship given the fact that it was made in 1890-1892. They were the first ever Mauser of this kind, made by the design given them by Argentina. There is a very interesting history behind these guns and I will match them for accuracy against any factory sporter....They are AWESOME. Mine is missing the rear sight, it was taken off and a very old steel Baush and Lomb scope mount is mounted there in those holes I believe and it has an old European Reticle crosshair, the scope is un named.

I don't have mine here to look at right now. Most of these guns were "sporterized" so few are in orig. shape. I would think the collector value will be rising soon.

Good Luck selling yours.

Dave in WV

[dannypratt]

dryridge,
Thank you for your reply, they are very interesting rifles no doubt, and I always thought a very attractive rifle. Thanks again.
-danny

[hnter]

I've been an FFL, I sell via gunshows & internet through FFL dealers. I posted honest comments. We use the Guntraders guide because the "Blue Book" isn't realistic in it's pricing valuations.

As far as keeping my comments to myself, go fly a kite.
As far as your being "Highly irritated"see my comment above about flying a kite.

You don't want comments, don't post the sale! The gun is altered, not original. See if Blue Book will pay that price, eh? Betcha they won't!

Hnter

[dryridge]

hnter,

I am not looking for an argument, or debate. I seriously would like to know what edition of Guntraders you found this gun in because I use it for my trading as well. I have never once found this particular model in GT and would like too.

Now, I agree they don't bring near Blue Book price.....yet. But I have a feeling they will be coming up soon. Look at what 1911's have done recently and who would have ever thought a Model 788 Remington would be bringing up to $450. Around here, what I would call altered guns are up to about $175 and more orig. ones are $200-$250. What I call "altered" is new bolt, barrel and stock whacked off and sporter sling put on it. As I said above, the crest was removed on all of these except what was smuggled out or stolen before they left the factory for use. They never did make it to Argentina from what I can gather. Of course you may know more about them and I welcome any info you have, Just because I think the gun and story behind them is really interesting.

Lastly, you are 100% correct that no gun is worth a penny more that someone is willing to pay, but Danny is right by that same token.

Gun Values will be debated around chatrooms and campfires when our bones have long dried (hopefully) and there are places to and reasons to do so, but you must recognize that to Danny a post like your original one, following an item he had listed for sale and at his desired price, was a bust in the chops. Maybe it wasn't meant as such but to me and I am certain to Danny you may as well have said....."Are you nuts or just trying to give someone a good screwing on this gun? It isn't worth the shipping costs"
Maybe a PM was more in order, or stating that you thought you had seen a similar gun in GT for a given price....could that be the same gun?

Now, that all said, please give us any info you have regarding this particular model of Mauser Rifle. I would appreciate it greatly.

Thanks in advance.

Another gun nut....

Dryridge

PS: here is a photo of a HIGHLY ALTERED Mauser but is complete with crests that I have for sale......LOL!!!

[dryridge]

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By the way....this one isn't in any book and you won't get it for near $100.....Ha Ha.

This one is altered with a Richards Stock. Douglas bbl. Timney Trigger, and lots of little tweaks.

Just another Gun Nut!

Dryridge

[hnter]

#1.
I don't want the Argentine mauser, I'm not gonna make an offer so I'm not trying to screw anybody. They're fairly common here in WY.

#2. Your Mauser is'nt just "altered" it's a full custom work. Pretty too, but NOT in the same class as an altered mill rifle.

#3. Looks like this could become one of those endless discussions so common here and on other gun sights, I'm not interested in the BS of the semantics or with word games. I've had my say, you yours, he his.
I hope he sells his gun, I hope the buyer thinks they got a good deal.

[dryridge]

Ironically I had a guy stop by and want to buy my Arg. Mauser Monday and I sold it to him.

Hntr, I am still interested what Gun Traders issue you saw this gun in. I have them all I think and can't find it anywhere.

Not being argumentative, I am asking for your assistance.

Thanks in advance,

Dave

PS: I was just joking about the custom gun....seriously.

[royinidaho]

Just jumpin' in here, probably not where I should though its not an attempt to hijac...

What's the deal about crests? I have a 1908 Brazilian Mauser. I know that because of what the crest says. And man is it ever altered. It was a 7X57.

Says Deutsche Waffen - UND Munitionsfabriken Berlin.

It had been used and abused by someone's army I suppose. But is a sweethear now that its been completely altered. Pretty much like the one pictured above but black.

BTW, I'm a shooter, not a trader......

[dryridge]

Where is the crest located you are referring to on the gun exactly. Is it on the left side of the gun, opposite the bolt, is it on the barrel or is it on the top of the action above the bolt head or is it on the top rear of the action? Is it all writing or picture or both?

Is your rifle currently carrying a scope? if so...you can't see the crest we are referring to, the base is covering it.

BTW, the gun in the photo is a Mauser 98 action complete with crests. Not sure of where it is from....LOL, Gunsmith put on the bases and I never took it off to look at it closely.

Dave in WV