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11-15-2007, 04:11 PM
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Pistol for new job????
Hey everyone iam going through my final stages of a new job with a armored truck service here in the San Francisco bay area specifically Richmond-Oakland dangerous job in these parts heres the question.I have limited choices on handguns revolvers it can be a Smith 38/357 with 4 inch barrel or a ruger gp100 in the same or colt double actions.Auto pistols are pretty flexible .40 cal and under double action.Iam thinking a Glock 31 in 357 sig i have owned one in the past and liked it i think i would feel safe with it in the past few years there has been alot of truck jackings here so i need a good gun what do think?
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11-15-2007, 05:29 PM
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Jon707,
Welcome to the Forum. Are you required to buy your duty handgun or is one of several issued to you? How much handgun experience have you had and what training is provided BEFORE you go on duty? Give us more information so we can be more helpful. Also, do you have a 12 gauge shotgun in the armored truck? If not, why not? Adam
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11-15-2007, 06:34 PM
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There is a list of handguns you are given a gun allowance of $750 when you start the short list is ruger gp-100-s&w .357/.38-colt python or king cobra in .357 in autos its 40 cal and under some brands mentioned berretta,glock,sig,hk,ruger most guys carry nines because its easy to range qualify with i shoot alot mostly with my para 1911 or my blackhawk 44 or redhawk 480 iam very good with a handgun.
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11-15-2007, 06:38 PM
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yeah and the shotgun there is one next to the driver and sometimes a mini 14 in the back gotta love california every where else it would be a ar-15 its a high paying job here at a grocery store in my town a truck was held up by guys with Ak-47s they chose not to shoot it out and handed the money over
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11-15-2007, 07:21 PM
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Jon707,
Thanks for the additional information. It sounds like you should go with the handgun you feel most comfortable with. Adam
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11-16-2007, 09:47 AM
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Ruger gp100 with 4 or 6 inch barrel in stainless with full barrel shroud would be my pick. If you can't hit them in 6 shots you can beat the rhino they are riding to death with the full barrel shroud.
 http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProd...=1705&return=Y http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProd...=1707&return=Y For ammo I would use magtech 158gr Semijacketed soft points. If they are trying to run you off the road you need barrier (IE vehicle door or roof) penetration. Yet you still want some expansion in soft tissue. http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...425&t=11082005 GoodOlBoy
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11-16-2007, 05:39 PM
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Among the handguns you can choose from, pick the one that points instinctively for you, and then make sure you practice with it enough to make operating all it's features instinctive.
Magazine capacity is nice, but remember that only hits count, not how many times you shoot.
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11-17-2007, 07:16 PM
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Regardless of which handgun you choose, I'd think it would be in your best interest to some top notch training. It's just an automatic - have handgun instant tactical expert. You've got Thunder Ranch to your north and Gunsite to your south. Either is a perfect choice.
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11-27-2007, 01:21 PM
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Jon,
You have several considerations, not just what feels good but also the quality of the gun and its parts. I would suggest that you find a shop with a smith that works in the shop. Ask the smith what gun he reccomends, do not ask the salesman. What you want is a oneway gun, it goes out and never comes back for repair. That ain't a Glock. Go look at the H&K USP it is a business handgun. Best of luck. Ed
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11-27-2007, 03:42 PM
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Top notch training is a beautiful idea. Now that we are back in the real world where we don't get paid that much lets look at some things you can and SHOULD do.
1. Whatever you buy practice with it till you are sick of it. 2. Get comfortable holding it, I don't care if you have to sit in the living room and fondle it while watching all the lethal weapon and die hard movies. I have seen officers who were not comfortable holding their own gun and let me tell you you can see the difference when they shoot. 3. Shoot what you practice with. Don't be a bonehead and buy 500 rounds of wadcutters because they are cheap, then put premium stuff in the gun you have never fired and wonder what happened. 4. Practice some more. It is better to be the overpracticed gunloving nutjob that the guy who did just enough and gets a company paid for funeral. my 2 cents. GoodOlBoy
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06-01-2008, 12:26 PM
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I highly recommend glocks due to the simplicity, reliability, and durability of the firearm, of course you already know this. Pick a caliber that you want, I would suggest a 9mm if you do not have much training with a firearm. You can shoot the 9mm cheaper that most other calibers and with a good hollow point ammo it would be fine for work. I like the 357sig round but you will be paying much more for ammunition and I am not sure on the availability in your area, of course you can order it online as well. Esox357.
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06-02-2008, 10:06 AM
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I wouldn't use 9mm unless I had NO other choice. PARTICULARLY if you are an armed driver. 9mm has (particularly HPs) barrier penetration that is just this side of sucks. a .40 S&W is almost as cheap with better penetration, a .45 auto has MUCH better penetration, and it is hard to beat the ballistics on the 357 sig (but easy to beat the price of ammo). The PD I work for has unoffically banned 9mms altogether. IE you can carry one, but when you go to the range you lose extra points towards qualification for every round that is even slightly off of dead on.
Remember FBI heavy cloth (heavy cotton T-shirt, with flannel shirt over it, with down or flannel lined denim jacket) will stop a 9mm and a 38 special dead in its tracks. My understanding is it still hurts like a bear, but it stops the round and is MOST effective against HPs. Now take the same setup and shoot them with a Semi jacket soft point 158 gr 357, a 230 grain ball ammo 45, or a good quality .40 and see what happens to them. In warm weather, thin t-shirts, and no barriers in the way yes a 9mm or 38 will work and work well. But since you don't want a summer gun and winter gun to go with your wardrobe I would stay away from them. Besides I can't see too many t-shirt wearing, convertable driving bad guys trying to jack an armoured car. my 2 cents. GoodOlBoy
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06-02-2008, 11:02 AM
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Oh and if you go for an automatic by all means look into "bonded" or "tacitcal bonded" ammunition. They were designed for better windshield penetration.
GoodOlBoy
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06-02-2008, 11:58 AM
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GOB,
I like your "Summer gun and Winter gun" definitions. One question: Do I need a third gun for Indian Summer? LOL. Adam
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06-02-2008, 12:00 PM
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Thats when you carry yer belt fed 12 guage shotgun.
 GoodOlBoy
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(Moderator - Gear & Gadgets, Cowboy Action, SouthWest Regional, Small Game) GoodOlBoy@huntchat.com For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16 KJV Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. - Ecclesiastes 8:15 KJV "The gun has been called the great equalizer, meaning that a small person with a gun is equal to a large person, but it is a great equalizer in another way, too. It insures that the people are the equal of their government whenever that government forgets that it is servant and not master of the governed." - 40th President of the United States Ronald Reagan 1911-2004
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