Nice

Tater · #1 07-04-2008, 02:25 PM

Is he trying to give this girl a black eye?

rattus58 · #2 07-04-2008, 04:09 PM

Indeed.....

Aim to maim · #3 07-04-2008, 06:44 PM

Forgive my elitist attitude, but just more evidence that not one person in a 100, even among competent shooters, has a clue regarding how to properly instruct novices in firearms handling, safety and marksmanship.

YoungBuck14 · #4 07-04-2008, 11:20 PM

little miss cutie is really gonna think big strong man is attractive when she pulls the trigger and gets popped in the face cause he doesn't know what he's doing. and i also like the genius that is standing down range granted he is serveral feet to the left but still down range

BILLY D. · #5 07-05-2008, 12:11 AM

There are not enough electrons, neutrons to point out all the mistakes and unsafe practices in this photo.

It should be a poster child for stupidity.

Mr. Studley, the improvised instructor, should be kicked in the crotch.

Bill

rattus58 · #6 07-05-2008, 01:14 AM

And in order that she be able to continue to enjoy these fruits of freedom on the This Great Day ... the 4Th of July.. our day of INDEPENDANCE......

A very good day indeed.
The day our country took seed.
We hope that we'll find someone to lead
And one who's not motivated by greed

We're blessed here all amongst friends
A bright sun shining to all of lands ends
We hunt dark forests and lush green glens
A day to escape all that pretends

Remember that freedom is something to fear
To those who hold that nothing is dear
Beware my friends of who's identity's not clear
A White Knight in office is something to cheer

Swift · #7 07-05-2008, 01:17 AM

Yup , just can "see" one retard down range....

spike1 · #8 07-05-2008, 01:48 AM

Thats a .223 watch this idiot
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5OYc4393JVE

fabsroman · #9 07-05-2008, 12:30 PM

Honestly, I am hoping that the picture was taken as the guy was grabbing the butt stock to push it forward and onto the girl's shoulder.

As far as the You Tube video is concerned, that guy is a moron. However, some men would prefer that their significant other not enjoy the sport so that they can have their alone time from their significant other. I heard a shotgun story where this girl wanted to shoot clays with her boyfriend, but the boyfriend didn't want her to come along. So, to satisfy her curiosity and make sure she never wanted to go again, he started her out with a 12 gauge with extremely hot loads (e.g., handicap and high brass).

Me, I would prefer that my wife like hunting, shooting, fishing, and road cycling, but so far fishing, mountain biking on asphalt trails, and a little clay shooting is all that I can get her to do. Ultimately, I am fine with that because I do not want her to do anything she doesn't want to do. However, if she wants to try a rifle at the range, you can bet she will be starting with a .22 lr and for a shotgun it will be a .410 or 28 gauge, and for a handgun it will be .25 or just slightly larger.

We should want as many people as possible supporting the sport and not scared of guns, but I guess there will always be morons out there.

rattus58 · #10 07-05-2008, 09:56 PM

Starting someone with a .410 or 28 gauge isn't going to instill any enthusiasm unless they are natural shooters. There is nothing more foolish than to frustrate especially young shooters because one thinks a .410 has less kick.... it's also got less shot.

Far better to use a low base 12 or load your own for mild shooting
for kids or your wife or significant other.

Aloha...

fabsroman · #11 07-06-2008, 09:31 AM

I used a .410 as my first shotgun, and mostly shot at clay pigeons sitting on tree trunks and birds on a wife. The .410 was great, because it had a lot more chance of hitting something than a .22. Now, trying to shoot something out of the air was a completely different story.

The 28 gauge isn't that bad of a gun to use for target shooting, as long as the targets are thrown close in and a wide choke is used. Obviously, the larger the gauge, the better chance for success, but the more pounding the shooter will take. Both of my sisters shoot my 20 gauge Beretta 391 just fine. Granted, they don't post the same scores as me, but most of the guys shooting 12 gauges, with the exception of Skeet, don't post the same scores as me.

I ended up getting on You Tube yesterday to watch the video above, and watched a couple more videos of women shooting. Honestly, the guys teaching them to shoot were morons. One girl ended up with a broken nose. Another had the scope hit her so hard in the forehead that she was bleeding profusely. One had a hand gun come back and hit her in the face.

Then, there were the videos of completely stupid people that shot themselves in the foot, that had shotguns go off when they didn't mean for them to, and there was even one of this kid looking down a fireworks mortar when it went off and bounced off his forehead. Utterly brilliant people.

skeet · #12 07-06-2008, 10:41 AM

I have done quite a bit of it and must say that a 410 is not the best to use. I almost always used a 28 ga though. Most of it was short range shooting at clay targets and can say that it worked almost perfectly. With the right instruction the 28 will do just fine for almost all upland shooting. As for the 12 ga for a new shooter...no way. even loaded down it isn't the one to use. After some experience maybe. In fact even the 20 ga has a bit more recoil than necessary. I found that for new shooters the less recoil felt is an absolute plus. So don't use a light 12 or 20. In handguns use a full size pistol or revolver in 9mm or 38 special. a rifle..of course use a 22 to start. Oh...and GOOD hearing protection. I found that most women flinch not from recoil...but from the sound of the gun going off. Most are scared of noise

Don't know why but noise scares 'em. I taught my wife to shoot. After all this time she still has a good 44 mag handgun that is her favorite. For a snake gun she carries a single action 45 with shot. Short bbled one but she surely isn't scared of it even if it do make a lot of noise. If she needs a shotgun thee is a 20 close to hand and as far as a rifle the Savage 340 in 30-30 is the one she has in the corner. Even it has a slip on recoil pad on it as does the 20. A couple of the ladies I instructed go to England and Europe. Shoot driven birds and one usually outshoots the male contingent. Proud of that lady for sure. Proud of 'em all. One is fully capable of outshooting most men...but chooses not to for purely personal reasons....y'all know what I mean.

Larryjk · #13 07-06-2008, 04:35 PM

In teaching Hunter Safety, I think the 20 gauge, in an "appropriately sized" shotgun is the way to go for teaching shotgun shooting. I used to have a Winchester Model 37 "Youth Model" that came with a shotened stock and shorter, modified choke barrel. My son learned to shoot with it and then I used it for several years on the younger shooters. One of the fathers talked me out of it with a large donation of the "coin of the realm".
Wish I still had it.
A 20 gauge may kick a little more than a .410 but it isn't noticable if the shooter is hitting the targets. It is amazing how hitting the target erases the pain of recoil. The ear plugs also help, and of course a fresh, soft recoil pad.

Bret Andrysiak · #14 07-06-2008, 05:02 PM

I want to know where the guy in the white tee shirt got those "high tech" hearing protectors.

rattus58 · #15 07-06-2008, 09:10 PM

I beg do differ with several of you about the 12 ga. Loaded down and properly fitting the woman or child, your versatility with the 12 ga vastly exceeds all of the others.

The 20 ga is a great gun for kids and women, but only if properly fit, but still doesn't give the versatility and benefits of a 12 IN MY OPINION.

Aloha...