3,500 Acres of US unsafe for US Citizens

[Rapier]

"About 3,500 acres of southern Arizona have been closed off to U.S. citizens due to increased violence at the U.S.-Mexico border, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The closed off area includes part of the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge that stretches along the U.S.-Mexico border."
Fox News

Excuse me, but the US government can not secure its borders and has blocked US Citizens access to part of the United states, allowing Mexican criminals to take over 3,500 acres of our contry? FTF, Over!

O'Bama just pack your bag buddy you are outa here. This is way too much. The cops asked for 3,000 troops to bring the area under control, got nada.

[PJgunner]

I wonder? Why does our government REFUSE to do nything about the border situation? That JACHASS in the White House can send the national Guard to Iraq, Afghanistan, the gulf coast yet that igmoramous completely ignores the border where at least one American CITIZEN has been murdered in a way that made national headlines. The fact of the matter is there have been others murdered by parties unknown over the years. I know of at least three, two of which were bowhunters during bow season for deer. The third person was the boss of my next door neighbor. I should say four because both he and his wife were found shot to death in their tent while camping. Their truck was later found across the border in Mexico. According to my neighbor, the man and his wife were good people. Makes me wonder just how many people that have gone missing and never found in the remote parts of Arizona, New Mexico and Texas deserts were murder victims of the smugglers. This crap is nothing new. My neighbor's boss and hs wife were killed back in IIRC 1982, give or take a year.
I personally have been shot at while peacably fishing on Pena Blanca lake which is about two miles from the Mexican Border. That was over 6 years ago. That stuff is nothing new although lately it seems to have escalated exponentially.
I wouldn't be too surprised if some individuals weren't planning to take matters into their own hands to clean up the mess. Of course, if that were to happen, Obama and the liberals woild send the ntional Guard down in one hell of a hurry, not to protect the border but to round up all those "racists' shooting those poor drug smugglers who are only trying to make a living.
I can no longer go deer or coyote hunting in a couple of my favorite areas (#32 and #33)without worrying whether I might be murdered in my sleep. I'm pizzed!
Paul B.

[Rapier]

Paul,
The minute I read that I thought about you.

I mean this is just stupid beyond words. What do you think would happen if Teddy R were in the White house now? There would be dead bad guys strung out all over Ariziona and Mexico.

Ed

[GoodOlBoy]

Eventually it will come down to people. People, no politicians, built this country. People, not police, protect themselves and their loved ones. People, not words laws and platitudes, will eventually take this country back.

GoodOlBoy

[bulletpusher]

AMEN!

Dad

[multibeard]

Originally Posted by GoodOlBoy

Eventually it will come down to people. People, no politicians, built this country. People, not police, protect themselves and their loved ones. People, not words laws and platitudes, will eventually take this country back.

GoodOlBoy

If the idiot voters don't forget by November and vote back in the idiots that have been running this country. There will not be a single incumbent getting my vote either in the primaries or Nov election.

Rapier. We all know what would happen if old Teddy was in charge. It would get taken care of. It would get taken care of now with a lot of volunteers from all over the country with out nobama having to send any troops.

[skeet]

.

Rapier. We all know what would happen if old Teddy was in charge. It would get taken care of. It would get taken care of now with a lot of volunteers from all over the country with out nobama having to send any troops.[/QUOTE]

I'll volunteer!!

[GoodOlBoy]

Don't forget one of the main reasons we are in this pickle is because oblamea is slick. Remeber we had record turn outs of first time minority voters, first time young voters, and first time immigrant voters. I heard with my own ears the bs slogans they were passing even in Texas. One moron in particular stood outside the local wal-mart screaming "We are going to vote Bush out of office! No third term for Bush!" No matter how many times somebody tried to calmly tell this joker Presidents can't serve more than two terms he would go back to screaming the same thing over and over. He was getting very low income and low education minorities and imigrants, and first time young voters to sign up to vote democrate. By the way the ones that wanted to sign up to vote but told him they were voting against obama got turned away. It was a minor scandal at best.

Slick is as slick does.

GoodOlBoy

[Rapier]

This is going to sound far fetched to you, but the real change occours at your city and county levels. Do not just vote for people that other keep picking for you to vote for. Go find a good man or woman, talk to them, get them to run for election and support them with your time and effort, not just a check. Get the lawyers and professional politicians out of our city halls, county commission and state houses. Put real people back in office. Never vote for a lawyer for any office, unless you have to, they are professional liars.

Yes vote for the best people come this November, but do not let this stop there. We need to clean house, we need to scrub the floors with lye soap to get the stench out, starting with our own community! Your neighbors are begging for real people to elect and so are you, go find them yourself.
Ed

[Larryjk]

Recently Public Radio reported that Obma is sending 17,000 national guard troops to help clean up the beaches affected by the oil spill. He could only send 1200 to help secure the border. Lets you know that he feels the border situation is not really a problem; it is just a few americans being killed by who knows what. Maybe it is some of the missing Afgani pilot trainees.

[PJgunner]

I live fairly close to the border as you all know and I have Border patrol buddies I sometimes shoot with. What they tell me is frightening. In the last 6 months, they have apprehended over 200 non-Latino types from the Middle East. Makes you wonder how many got through? A Latino pays roughly $2,500 to $3,000 to be smuggled in while these Middle Easterners are paying from $6,500 to $10,000 to get into the U.S. of A. Of course, I'm sure those peace loving Middle Easterners are only here to earn a better living that what they could back home. Right?
Now, I see that the HAG Clinton let the cat out of the bag that Obama and crew are going to sue Arizona to stop 1070B. So much for states rights. I wonder if out communist-in-chief is going to send her to Siberia, or at lest it's equivilent here?
When do WE THE PEOPLE take our country back?
Can WE THE PEOPLE take our counrty back?
Do THEY THE SHEEPLE even give a damn?
Methinks it's getting close to Concord at the border.
Paul B.

[Seawolf1090]

A REAL President would immediately stage a military operation in that chunk of forest, with fully armed troops, 'weapons hot' and full air support including gunships. ANYBODY in there shoots back, they get 'lit up'! All others get moved back to Old Mehico pronto, after being 'chipped' - found here again, it's ten years HARD LABOR in prison.

But our sorry excuse of an Illegal Kenyan in office does not have the brass to DO HIS JOB!!

[skeeter@ccia.com]

I think people will renege next election. Bet $ on it.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by Rapier

This is going to sound far fetched to you, but the real change occours at your city and county levels. Do not just vote for people that other keep picking for you to vote for. Go find a good man or woman, talk to them, get them to run for election and support them with your time and effort, not just a check. Get the lawyers and professional politicians out of our city halls, county commission and state houses. Put real people back in office. Never vote for a lawyer for any office, unless you have to, they are professional liars.

Yes vote for the best people come this November, but do not let this stop there. We need to clean house, we need to scrub the floors with lye soap to get the stench out, starting with our own community! Your neighbors are begging for real people to elect and so are you, go find them yourself.
Ed

I think you need to stop with the "lawyers are professional liars" BS. Most of my clients want me to run for office because they know I am a no BS kind of person with morals and values.

I can say the same thing for most of the professions out there. Most people in society are freaking liars. I wonder how many people actually get stopped by the police and answer all the questions truthfully or decline to answer questions because they do not want to lie and incriminate themselves.

Yeah, it is only the attorneys. More like the attorney's clients that are the liars. I have had clients lie on the stand and I have had witnesses and opposing parties lie on the stand. But hey, the lack or honesty and responsibility issue is an attorney issue, not a society issue.

Ultimately, attorneys advise their clients on what the law is and what the clients' options are. It is up to the clients to decide what action they want to take.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by Rapier

"About 3,500 acres of southern Arizona have been closed off to U.S. citizens due to increased violence at the U.S.-Mexico border, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The closed off area includes part of the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge that stretches along the U.S.-Mexico border."
Fox News

Excuse me, but the US government can not secure its borders and has blocked US Citizens access to part of the United states, allowing Mexican criminals to take over 3,500 acres of our contry? FTF, Over!

O'Bama just pack your bag buddy you are outa here. This is way too much. The cops asked for 3,000 troops to bring the area under control, got nada.

The President's position is this:

He will not do anything to secure the border so he can keep the heat on the Republicans about passing some reasonable legislation to allow for some immigrants to stay here. In other words, Obama is alright with closing down the borders IF the Republicans are alright with passing something meaningful regarding the immigrants that are here right now.

Personally, I think we need to do both. Shore up the borders and pass some reasonable immigration regulation for those that are currently here illegally. When I mean reasonable, I mean that those here illegally can stay if they have no criminal history here for 5+ years, they pay an estimated income and FICA/Medicare tax of $3,000 for the past 5 years they were here (before you get your panties in a bunch realize that a married couple with 2 kids pay NO income tax on their first $46,000 of income. They only pay FICA/Medicare on that money to the tune of 7.65% which equates to $3,500), and some other requirements which escape me right now.

I am pretty sure that immigration to this country was a lot easier back in the 40's and 50's. Why do we have to make it so hard for good people to come to this country? Not every illegal is a terrible person.